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Paul B

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This morning as I walked past my still dark tank I noticed my moorish Idol where he usually is but I saw the bangai cardinal pushed up against the front glass looking unusual. For the last two weeks I have one of those plastic breeders in there hooked up to the front glass to try to hatch some eggs that I found in my tank. The cardinal must have swam between the breeder and the glass and become wedged. Since fish can't swim backward when their fins are pinned, he died. I don't remember how long I had this fish and I can't even guess so it must be 8 or 9 years.
That got me thinking about how many fish I lost to accidents.
The answer is almost all of them.
The last fish that I can think of that died of natural causes was a 12 year old percula clown. He died about 20 or 25 years ago.
Since then I don't think any fish in my reef died of natural causes like old age or disease.
There was the two mandarins which got sucked into the powerhead when the strainer came loose, the four or five firefish that jumped onto the lights, the two royal grammas that carpet surfed, the three clown gobies that could just fit in the skimmer overflow, the porcupine fish that got wedged between a rock and inflated until the crabs got him, the 18 year old brutilid (cusk eel) along with a purple tang a 10 year old hippo tang and a few others that I lost in a Clorox mishap and the ribbon eel that made his way into an ajoining tank which was fresh water.
I don't see these things as bad necessarily. Not good of course but everything that happens teaches us something and makes us better hobbiests. When I started with salt in 1972 I lost all of my stock to disease like ich, pop eye, dropsy, whatever. Now at least they have a chance to die of old age except for my stupidity.
Of course today I will remove the breeder so that doesen't happen again. The cardinal did live longer in my reef than he probably would have lived in the sea. If you spend any time SCUBA diving or at least snorkling you will see fish being eaten continousely. Thats why there are fish, to be eaten by other fish. If you watch trumpetfish which are very common you will see them suck up damselfish and clowns no matter how much we would pay for them. At night you will see soldierfish or squirrelfish eating all the small fish drifting just above the coral. Forget about frogfish and sculpins, they can eat until they are ready to explode. On some Islands you see fisherman drag their catch on the beach to sell for food. I once saw a bunch of beautiful lookdowns, moray eels and tangs dying on the sand for sale for 50 cents a pound. I am guilty myself of eating fish almost every day but I was brought up in a fish market and it is what it is. Fish were made to be eaten, either by other fish or us. I think if I had a choice to be eaten alive or kept captive and fed for the rest of my life I may choose the latter. Just a thought.
Have a great day.
Paul
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Sorry to hear about the Male bangai Paul Its hard to get a good breeding pair of these I hope you are lucky enough to get another one Its so hard to keep life going in these tanks let alone get them to reproduce and flourish and it all can go in a Instant. A few years Back I had a All -glass tank let go on me never want to go Thur that again... Sorry for your loss...Jeff
 
Luckilly where I live I have a huge choice of fish stores and bangai cardinals are now pretty common. I saw some just a few minutes ago. I will get another one soon and I will fix the problem with the breeder. I feel there is no chance for any accidental fish deaths but I feel that way after any fish die due to an accident. I guess I am getting better this was the first accident in a couple of years.
Paul
 
It's amazing the things those fish can think up that we've spent so much time trying to prevent!!! I recently has a fish, a wrasse of all fish, get stuck in a hole in some live rock. What the heck did it go in the hole for if it couldn't get out...lol. Well, I'm sorry about your Bengai. They're such beautiful fish!! As you said, we learn from the mistakes our fish choose to make...lol. Have a great holiday season.
 
There was only two but I am not sure if they could be called an accident. About a year ago My Mother was taken to a hospital in a semi Comatose condition. She is 97.
She couldn't eat or hardly move so we had to stay at the hospital 24/7 to watch her. Or she would pull out the IVs and try to get up.
During this time I had all of my fish in a smaller tank. They were just going to be there for a day while I change stuff around in my tank. Something in the smaller tank must have died and there was no filter or gravel in there so almost everything died except the corals which were in the main tank.
Then a few months later my town added Zinc Orthophosphate which killed my corals. They were looking bad so I changed all the water which of course made it worse. For some reason my RO/DI has a problem with orthophosphate. That has happened to my corals three times in three decades.
I needed some accidents to revive this thread. I am not replacing the corals until I can figure out the problem with the RO.
Besides that the tank is where I want it to be. The Bangai Cardinals are spawning every few weeks are some gobies. The tank is filled with mostly different gobies which I have always wanted to do but couldn't because I always had a few larger fish. I had a cusk eel for 18 years and I think he ate a few of my smaller gobies.
I have about 15 gobies not with a bunch of other fish and I am doing some experiments with a hippo tang so I am glad I don't have corals in there now. There are too many fish and too many things going on.
Take care.
Paul
 
What kind of gobies do you keep? I absolutely love gobies and have 8 mated pairs of different species (including a kinky trio). Have you successfully been able to raise any babies? What kind of experiments are you doing with them? Sorry for going off topic but I figured it would be ok since you are the OP and the thread has been dead for several years now.
 
For most of them I would have to look up the names because I am very bad with names.
But I do have 5 different types of clown gobi, rainsford gobi, engineer gobi, shark nosed gobi
and five or so that I don't remember the names. One pair is mating and one pair will mate soon. I also keep bleenies, again except for a red scooter bleenie I would have to look up the names. I am also spawning Bangai Cardinals. There are a lot of fish in this tank and I do not raise the fry any more. The experiments I am doing are with a hippo tang and a fire clown. They are getting large doses of vitamin A and D. The clown is about 13 years old but the hippo is only a couple of years old. I have a theory that captive fish are severly lacking in those two vitamins. My thoughts formed from many years of diving with these fish and watching closely as they eat. Most fish eat whole fish in the sea and whole fish is sometimes 20% vitamin a and d. I did this many years ago and totally cured a french angel with a severe case of HLLE. I have noticed from keeping hippo tangs that if you keep them long enough they get a little HLLE, I want to prevent or delay it. All of my fish get fresh hatched brine shrimp and live worms almost every day.
I have never raised gobies from eggs but I have raised clowns, blue devils and seahorses.
 
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Paul, you crack me up...I love your sense of humor. I am very new to the salt water hobby but am loving it! I'll be sure to check in with you every once in a while to see how things are going in your tank. 50 years is amazing! WOW!
 

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