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so im looking at buying a new camera..ive just been searching the CL for nikon and canons! Can someone suggest a decent camera for about $500 or less? I have a stupid digital nikon coolpix but it just aint cuttin it! I want a macro lense me thinks but how do i know wat im looking for lol? Is it the higher the number in mm the more zoom and focus i get? Thxs in advance....
 
No a macro lens is a macro lens a tele lens is for range.

I like the canon series. i have a XTI, Adam has an XSI, Brie has a 60D or something LOL
 
k so those are the two basic lense a marco and a tele...i did see some 40d's and 50d's on CL but i dont think i saw a 60d!
Ill look into the models u mentioned thxs!
 
dslr or point and shoot?

if you're looking for bang for the buck in a dslr, the sony alpha series are great and fly under most people's radar because of the photographic industry's recent obsession with canon and nikon. the alphas are all of konica and minolta's decades of technology in a sony body. ...and you can shop cl and ebay for old minolta af lenses for hella cheap because most people don't realize that sony is also using minolta's A mount. now that the new line has been announced, prices ought to crash on bodies that are 1-2 years old. (i used to be a total minolta girl through the 90's and picked up a sony a700 in my switch from film slr to dslr two years ago rather than having to purchase all new equipment. great camera as long as you don't care about on-screen preview or shooting video. i believe the new models do both preview and video though.)

for point and shoot with outstanding macro capability, i use my sony dsc-hx9v...runs about $350 and fits conveniently in your pocket. :) all of the recent pics in my tank thread i posted earlier are taken with the little camera. sucker focuses at about 2cm. it's hd, 16 mp, and shoots 3D panoramic and standard if you're into that sort of thing. its a fun little camera and well worth the $$.
 
First you need to decide what you want to take pictures of! I only have experience with canon and Leica. Any canon body will take good pictures. That said your budget will dictate what you buy unless you decide to wait and spend more money later. I wouldn't think your going to touch a macro lens and body for $500 but you can get a good body and kit lens that will be a good start. There are many folks that take great tank photos with the Canon 18-55 kit lens.

Macro lenses give you 1:1 magnification and on the other hand are very sharp fixed length lenses that can be used for everyday photos also. So yes you do need to think about mm or focal length when looking for a macro. How close can you get to your favorite subject. 60mm would not be all that great for bugs but for flowers and shallow tanks its fine. 100mm will get you a little further away and 180 even further. Those are the three most popular Canon lens lengths. Now with a $500 budget you will end up with a crop body. This means that the 100mm will be the equivalent of 160mm which is why its almost the perfect lens and the most popular macro for Canons. I have the 180mm and a full frame camera which is perfect for pretty much any macro photography, but its actually 180mm on my camera. On a crop body it would be 288mm which is quite abit to long IMO.

As far as non macro goes the average person back in the film days would have shot the majority of their shots in the 24-70mm range. This is why most cameras come with a 18-55mm kit lens. It gives you on average what you will need with a small amount of post process crop room. If your looking around the internet seeing all these razor sharp images and want to get those yourself, a dslr is the way to go. You wont get those with the little ccd point and shoot cameras, the only point and shoot that comes close is the Leica X1 and is out of your budget. You can make the most of your point and shoot. First never use the zoom, zoom with your feet. Frame your images dont crop. If its an option shoot in RAW format. I have a little Lumix lx5 point and shoot and it offers RAW I dont know about others.

Dslr's are all about glass (lenses). The better the glass the better the pictures. A word of warning, don't get caught up in the "L" lens crowd. Yes they are fantastic but are more than most will ever need, most dont even print their images. Crop cameras only use a small portion of the lens, granted its the best part of the lens but still only a small portion. The only reason I can see to buy L glass is with a full frame or you print large prints. If I was just starting out I'd get the best canon camera with the 18-55 EFS IS kit lens that was in my budget. Then I'd add the 100mm macro not the L for taking tank photos. The 100mm macro will give a beautiful portrait lens and a macro in one lens.

Confused yet?
Don
 
Thanks Don...I'll only need to re-read that about 6 times.

TO give you a reference on CL I got my XTI under warranty, 18-55 and 75-300mm lens a macro lens cap (magnifying glass) UV filter, external flash, two batteries, two chargers, Pelican case with fitted foam and soft carrying case for 450.
 
lol wow lots of info thxs a tons don! I will have to re read that post as well!
Correct me if wrong here but are u talking about some older models of cameras don where u dont have a display? I would prefer a display so i can go back and see the pics before connecting to my computer! R these lenses were u have to twist em to focus or are their buttons for most functions? Ill ive got is a lil digital and its pretty straight forward and simple...i would like my camera in the future to be just as simple cuz i dont have a lot of expierence with cameras!

Wats just the "body" of a camera? Ive seen these for sale on CL and i think i would rather purchase a set as aku did! Does a body at least come with the insides? LOL sry for the silly questions!
I will take ur warning of avoiding the L lenses...

usually i just take the pics and delete the crappy ones i dont like...than i put em on my comp and click auto fix... lol
ur saying i should save up about $800 correct don?

My nikon coolpix 670 cost me like $200 on sale...if i would have known about these KOOL machines i would have saved it and bought one! I think that was before my tank though! LOL
I want to take pics of my coral pieces and fish...maybe some smaller hitchhikers as well!
 
lol wow lots of info thxs a tons don! I will have to re read that post as well!
Correct me if wrong here but are u talking about some older models of cameras don where u dont have a display? I would prefer a display so i can go back and see the pics before connecting to my computer! R these lenses were u have to twist em to focus or are their buttons for most functions? Ill ive got is a lil digital and its pretty straight forward and simple...i would like my camera in the future to be just as simple cuz i dont have a lot of expierence with cameras!

Wats just the "body" of a camera? Ive seen these for sale on CL and i think i would rather purchase a set as aku did! Does a body at least come with the insides? LOL sry for the silly questions!
I will take ur warning of avoiding the L lenses...

usually i just take the pics and delete the crappy ones i dont like...than i put em on my comp and click auto fix... lol
ur saying i should save up about $800 correct don?

My nikon coolpix 670 cost me like $200 on sale...if i would have known about these KOOL machines i would have saved it and bought one! I think that was before my tank though! LOL
I want to take pics of my coral pieces and fish...maybe some smaller hitchhikers as well!

No you dont need to spend alot more. For example BH photo has the t1i brand new for $650 shipped comes with everything you will need to get started in dslr photography. Canon online should have the refurbs for a little less and are the same kit. That camera is very good and will probably be more than you will ever need and you can buy anything you want for it later if you get addicted. It has a decent screen and uses less expensive sd cards. Even with the kit lens you will be more than happy with it. It can be used just as you do your point and shoot until you feel comfortable with using the other non automatic modes.

Don
 
lol wow lots of info thxs a tons don! I will have to re read that post as well!
Correct me if wrong here but are u talking about some older models of cameras don where u dont have a display? I would prefer a display so i can go back and see the pics before connecting to my computer! R these lenses were u have to twist em to focus or are their buttons for most functions? Ill ive got is a lil digital and its pretty straight forward and simple...i would like my camera in the future to be just as simple cuz i dont have a lot of expierence with cameras!

Wats just the "body" of a camera? Ive seen these for sale on CL and i think i would rather purchase a set as aku did! Does a body at least come with the insides? LOL sry for the silly questions!
I will take ur warning of avoiding the L lenses...

usually i just take the pics and delete the crappy ones i dont like...than i put em on my comp and click auto fix... lol
ur saying i should save up about $800 correct don?

My nikon coolpix 670 cost me like $200 on sale...if i would have known about these KOOL machines i would have saved it and bought one! I think that was before my tank though! LOL
I want to take pics of my coral pieces and fish...maybe some smaller hitchhikers as well!

All of the models listed, so far, do have a "viewing screen."

The lenses will have a Manual and Automatic Focus option. In Manual mode, yes, you will need to "twist" the focus ring, to obtain focus. In AF (Auto Focus) mode, you will not need to turn the focus ring. With a Zoom Lens, you twist the lens to zoom in or out.

You will not find a DSLR that's "just as simple," as your point and shoot, though a DSLR in Auto Mode, is basically a Point and Shoot, with interchangable lenses.

The "Body" is just the camera, itself, NO LENS.
 
Lots of good info here guys. Someone mentioned the Sony Alpha Series, i shoot with an Alpha 230, its a great camera. I paid new i think $450 for it, they are still had for about that for the newer version (currently the a-290 i think is a 14mp or 16mp camera). Lenses are very reasonably priced for Sony (i just purchased a 35mm f-1.8 prime lens for $199), and if you like you can hunt ebay and camera stores that sells used lenses for the A-mount Minolta lenses (Sony purchased Minolta), they will fit and work without any need for adapters. Any of the above cameras mentioned are great, it just depends what you want to spend =)
 
okay new question!
After looking a lil more on CL...how come some of these "nicer" cameras are such low megapixels...i mean my digital is 12mp and these canons are only 8mp!
The more mp the better correct? I mean less boxy the pixels will be! If that makes any sense? LOL
 
okay new question!
After looking a lil more on CL...how come some of these "nicer" cameras are such low megapixels...i mean my digital is 12mp and these canons are only 8mp!
The more mp the better correct? I mean less boxy the pixels will be! If that makes any sense? LOL

No. Dont get caught up on MP. Way to long and drawn out to explain. Your probably looking at the cheapest canons listed. Search CL for a 40d and see whats there in your price range.

Don
 
Megapixels are really only important for blowing up images. To some extent they are important, but should not be the main factor on choosing a camera. My Sony A-230 is only 10.2mp and is really clear with some larger sizes. If you do a lot of cropping and zooming Megapixels will be a factor though.
 
Megapixels are really only important for blowing up images. To some extent they are important, but should not be the main factor on choosing a camera. My Sony A-230 is only 10.2mp and is really clear with some larger sizes. If you do a lot of cropping and zooming Megapixels will be a factor though.

Its more important that the pixel density be optimized for the sensor size. To dense you go the other direction and induce noise. If you crop alot then yes you will see a difference between 10 and 20 mp but since properly framing your subject is photography 101 it shouldnt be an issue.

Don
 
Its more important that the pixel density be optimized for the sensor size. To dense you go the other direction and induce noise. If you crop alot then yes you will see a difference between 10 and 20 mp but since properly framing your subject is photography 101 it shouldnt be an issue.

Don

You are very correct.

If you do end up with a crop sensor camera, some new lenses are actually designed for them. The 35mm prime lens i bought is designed for the smaller sensor that i have on my camera.

Camera technology has come a very long way, don't get caught up in the name battle, buy what fits what you plan on doing. I have a Sony, my fiance uses a Canon. I chose Sony since their dslr products tend to be more in my price range, she chose the Canon because its what she's always used.
 

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