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csababubbles

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I have a porcupine puffer (6") & emp. Angel (6") sharing a 150 gallon pond 58"long, 40"wide,25"high.

Should I buy another same size pond and split them up or change the 150pond to a 300 gallon pond (63"wide,70"long,25"high)?

Which is better for their long term care?

Thanks!
 
The 300 for now, then when they get to 10"+ change them into a 500.
 
In your experience how long does it typically take to get to that size? At what point should I remove their tankmates (butterflies) before they typically change behavior and start bullying tankmates and eating them. Will a puffer ever try to eat 5"-6" butterflies? Could he hurt them?
 
Assuming proper diet and nutrition, the Angel should remain fairly passive to Butterflies. The Puffer runs the risk of getting bored with time and becoming belligerent. It should be entertained with puzzles and food encapsulated in cement, etc. Still, they usually reach a point where they will nip at tank mates more passive then them. You just have to watch for it, be prepared, and take appropriate action when this happens. It is a rare, but possible, Puffer that won't do this.

At their current size, you should expect about 1.5" per year and slowing down as they approach their 'average' known biggest size in captivity. It's easy to 'miss' their growth. Take photos every few months and keep a photo-book of them! :)
 
Im very interested in your ststement about keeping them entertained. Can you give me a couple of ideas to get me started. I can only imagine it being something to do with him getting at food, but clams that occupy him for a while is the best I have.
 
This Puffer has 'teeth' that are more like a parrot's beak. It will need grinding down. You can provide foods that help do this, but even with such foods, it will require that the puffer be anesthetized and you will need to grind down the teeth yourself. Most hobbyists use a grinding tool used by jewelers.

Anyway, one of the ways you can help the fish control the length of its teeth is to encapsulate food in a cement-like mix. Find a high grade, fast-setting plaster of Paris mix (maybe used by artists?), turn it into the right liquid, put into the liquid mix: raw shrimp, raw clams, or raw squid, etc., etc. and let set. Usually pouring parts of the mix into a paper molds (cups). After setting, remove the paper mold and freeze. Put a thawed one into the tank every week. This is one example of killing the boredom and helping to grind down its teeth.

Your clam is a good idea for one example.

Live hermit crabs (in shell), live shrimp, live scallops, etc. is another good source of the dual approach, however you must quarantine them and any living marine life before using in the aquarium.

Cleaning up is your job. These fish do make a big mess and are high waste producers. You'll need to be sure your skimmer is over-sized for these kinds of fishes. However, their personality is a big plus in their favor! :biggrin1:

 
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