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OceansByDesign

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The ultimate Fish Food is in stock!!

The freezer is fully stocked with 5% slabs of ChefZilla Chowdown and Herbivore Chowdown!!

This food was used for feeding new arrivals and very finicky fish such as Moorish Idols, Anthias and similar, it is loaded with Probiotics, Vitamins and Garlic and a mixture of Whitefish, Mollusks, Squid, fish eggs and Marine algae.

When we handed out free samples and got such a huge response we decided to carry it full time.Come and your fish will go nuts for it

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11 dollars per pack for either the crowd own or the hervoviore. But this food has 3 times the protein and carbs as normal mysis
 
I think the problem using garlic has had is that it was taken from the concept of helping prevent parasites such as Ich from penetrating the tissue to all of a sudden being touted as a cure for Ich, which is not true. I will post a little write up done by a good friend that is a marine biologist that did some studies on the use of Garlic in foods as a med.

Allicin, a.k.a. Diallyl thiosulfinate (or Diallyl disulphide-oxide), has been identified as the chief active pharmaceutical ingredient in garlic (Allium sativum). Allicin is a broad-spectrum agent against both Gram+ and Gram- bacteria (Cavallito, 1944; Adetumbi & Lau, 1983; Ankri & Mirelman, 1999) with a scope of applicability about as wide as penicillin's, though less potent.
Allicin also works against at least some viruses (Weber et.al., 1992), and some parasitic protozoans (Lun et.al., 1994; Ankri et.al., 1997) Lastly, some of its rapid-breakdown products, ajoene in particular, possess considerable anti-fungal properties (Yoshida et.al.,1987). Of course, garlic also yields other active compounds, and they too have some pharmaceutical value, but are said to be decidedly less potent than the chief active ingredient.
Allicin is naturally produced when garlic is damaged or crushed, allowing the release and inter-reaction of two substances, the non-protein amino acid alliin and the enzyme alliinase (Krest & Keusgen, 1999). In that sense, allicin is an all-around defense of the garlic plant, manufactured fresh, right where trauma to the plant occurs and where the threat of invasion or infection is imminent. Not surprisingly, it reportedly has insect repellent properties as well.
Allicin further has a remarkable ability to permeate living tissue (Miron et.al., 2000). That is why it is hard to get garlic's smell off your skin after contact with the raw material --it really digs in, penetrating tissue with comparative ease, and this has implications on its potency.
Hobbyist attention presently seems to center on garlic’s value as therapy versus infestations of C. irritans, and so I shall get right to such a scenario, focusing on allicin as the active ingerdient of garlic.
III. Allicin Wonderland
In a parasitic protozoan infestation similar to “Marine Ich”,there are usually two major insults to the fish's physiology:
1) the gross tissue damage committed by the protozoans themselves;
2) and the secondary infections that crash the party.
The applicability of such a broad-spectrum antiseptic as contained in garlic towards fending off secondary infections should be obvious, so I will set aside such secondary infections at this point.
Allicin has been observed to suppress the efficacy of cysteine proteinase and alcohol dehydrogenase, two tissue-demolition agents produced by another protozoan parasite, Entamoeba histolytica, (Ankri et.al., 1997), and one can easily extrapolate how garlic medication might limit the invasive and predatory damage caused directly by C. irritans.
Yet what generates as much (if not more) speculation is not the ability of garlic to restrict damage, but rather garlic's apparent ability to deliver damage to the parasites themselves -with numerous claims of outright detachment of C .irritans trophonts (the burrowing protozoans) and tomonts (the "egg cysts") as a result.
The aforementioned ability of allicin to permeate tissue and mucus enables it to invest an afflicted area thoroughly with its partially sulfurous chemical signature. The potential is there to mask the chemical cues that enable a parasite's recognition of the host, potentially confusing the invader and further suppressing the havoc it wreaks. This means garlic therapy can benefit even uninfested fish, allowing them to escape detection by host-hunting C. irritans tomites
Definitely, allicin brings outright chemical assault to the parasite. In one test, allicin’s cytotoxicity fell heavily against the parasitic protozoans Trypanosoma spp. and Giardia lamblia in concentrations that were well within the tolerance of sample-host fibroblasts (Lun et.al., 1994). The same penetrating power that ensures thorough investiture of the contested tissue, with protective and camouflaging agents, can also ensure thorough delivery of allicin's antagonism to --indeed, into-- invading parasites.
Lastly (though certainly, other properties may yet be discovered), allicin is said to reinforce the cues for cellular apoptosis, the mechanism of programmed cell-death (Thatte et.al., 2000). An innate mechanism such as apoptosis, guided with care, has the potential to severely limit the spread of say, cancer, by motivating cancerous cells to quickly self-terminate before they can multiply. If such a 'scorched earth' defense can be triggered by an infestation episode and be guided/reinforced by allicin, then yet another way may be revealed how garlic hinders both the ability of parasites to feed on host tissue and any opportunity for secondary infections to spread.
 
Well I wish I could find it again, but its on face book somewhere buried, but someone had posted a study that was done that showed adverse effects on its use with marine fish. Something to do with their blood levels. if someone remembers who posted that let me know.

I also have read the same for other animals. Just a little can lead to kidney failure in dogs.

How long have people been using garlic and not seen any ill effects in their fish? or maybe they just haven't attributed the ailments or premature death to the use of garlic. And with that study, if in fact it was causing health issues, why would manufacturers continue adding it to their food?
 
well, I dont know anymore.
I just found another site that states
It has been tested and experimented on over the past few years. There have been a lot of articles going out lately that garlic isn’t safe for dogs due to the news that onion, a plant of the same family, causes anemia in canines when given in large doses. However, garlic is relatively safe for dogs despite its similarities to onions.

http://www.petmanage.com/dog-diet-and-food/garlic-for-dogs-good-or-bad.html

I cant find anything on garlic being bad for fish either.
 
Well I wish I could find it again, but its on face book somewhere buried, but someone had posted a study that was done that showed adverse effects on its use with marine fish. Something to do with their blood levels. if someone remembers who posted that let me know.

I also have read the same for other animals. Just a little can lead to kidney failure in dogs.

How long have people been using garlic and not seen any ill effects in their fish? or maybe they just haven't attributed the ailments or premature death to the use of garlic. And with that study, if in fact it was causing health issues, why would manufacturers continue adding it to their food?

I thought I read somewhere that long term use of garlic cause problems in the liver of fish.
But I can not find any links to support that.
Just part of something I'd read.
 
why would manufacturers continue adding it to their food?


Those companies that sell those products as miracle cures realize that there is a lot of money to be made from people who do want to treat fish disease the right way.
 
Thats the issue, I have been using Garlic and or the extract of garlic for decades with my fish, but in the same breathe I can tell you from my experience and I have read a lot, Garlic and or its extract will in no way cure Ich (unless of coarse serve with butter and slow roasted in a pan). What I have noticed is the following.

I have had fish show ich on there scales even with feeding with garlic, but the ich dont seem to drill into the tissue and the ich does not stay on board for long ( day or so).
then you dont see any secondary infections, such as bacterial or viral whihc is a big plus as that is what really kills the fish.

Mike
 
Thanks Mike for getting back on this.

The food, looks like it's a pretty good food with some great feedback.
I would probably buy it, just for the other ingredients.
 
I'll continue using garlic. is there a weight/size on those packages Mike?
if not, can you get the dimensions of the package? if there are more proteins than there are in regular mysis, I might get it.
 
The packages are 5 oz. and yes big time on the proteins and carbs and such. If you go by the contents of the frozen Mysis packages its about the equal to three of the same sized packages.

Mike
 
I thought I read somewhere that long term use of garlic cause problems in the liver of fish.
But I can not find any links to support that.
Just part of something I'd read.

I read the same "liver" info and long term garlic effects on it.
 
I too have read about liver damage...but I do use garlic in my blender food, but it works out to about 6 fresh squeezed cloves worth of just juice in a 6 months supply
 
I used garlic like garlic xtreme for prob first two yrs, now I don't use any.
It's supposed to aid the immune system idk I was just listening to the big hype at the time.

Recently I've been using vitality in my home fish food, just cause I got a freebie try out bottle.
I've used rods fish food and luv it. Need to try this chefzilla!
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