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I'm sure you all know by now that our tank is pretty new and I have heard that algae is a normal thing for tanks to get established. I am attaching some pics and wondering if this is all normal and if there is anything short of physical removal we should be doing. Physical removal is VERY difficult with our footprint as there is not much room to move around stuff in there and the rocks do lift out as they are epoxied together to prevent avalanches. Also all of this is only on the new dry rocks we bought. All the live rock we got is clean. Our water parameters are good and a 20% water change is done every 2 weeks.

Red algae - should we do anything to remove this or will it run it's course and go away?

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Green slime like coating

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Will the substrate being piled this deep be a problem? The Tiger Pistol Shrimp keeps piling it.

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Lots of featherdusters showing up though

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Any and all advice as always is greatly appreciated.
 
What Makes Slime Algae Grow and Solutions For Eliminating This Problem

We suggest that you don't try to put all of these solutions into action at one time, because if you do, when the problem subsides you'll never really know where the problem was coming from and which solution worked to fix it. Start with one solution and see what results you get, and if that one doesn't work, try another one, and so on, until the problem is resolved. Now, in order for all forms of algae to grow, they require only two things; light and nutrients.

* Lighting: The use of improper bulbs, lack of maintenance, and extended lighting hours are contributors that can lead to all sorts of algae problems. While these organisms do well in the 665 to 680 nanometer (nm) wavelength range, they are quite active bewteen the 560 and 620 nm range as well.
o Solutions: Only use bulbs that are designed for aquarium use, run the lights 8 to 9 hours a day, and following the basic wattage rule of thumb, try different types of bulbs to increase the intensity and the spectral qualities of the light in the aquarium, particularly when it comes to any type of full-spectrum or color enhancing tubes being used.

* Nutrients: Phosphates (PO 4 ), DOCs (Dissolved Organic Compounds), and nitrates (NO 3 ) are primary nutrient food sources for red and other slime algae.
o Phosphates (PO 4 ) are commonly introduced into aquariums by means of using unfiltered fresh tap water, and through many aquarium products that may contain higher than normal concentrations of this element, such as sea salt mixes, activated carbon, KH buffers, foods, and many other sources. Also, for established reef tanks the long-term use of kalkwasser precipitates phosphates out of the water, and these phosphate based compounds can settle on and in the live rock and substrate.
+ Solutions: Use RO/DI filtered make-up water, a high quality sea salt mix, and be aware of the elements contained in other common aquarium products you may be using
 
Allowing excess DOCs to accumulate in an aquarium in turn gives rise to nitrate (NO 3 ) problems. However, nitrates can also be introduced in the same manner as phosphates, and because it is the final byproduct produced in the nitrogen cycling process, it can naturally build to high levels due the lack of proper aquarium maintenance care. Another contributor to DOC/nitrate problems is when new live rock is introduced, as the curing process can add nutrients when some organisms on the rock dies off.

* Solutions: Practice good aquarium maintenance care routines! This includes keeping the substrate clean, cutting back on feedings, regularly rinsing, rejuvenating or changing any type of filtering or adsorbing materials (such as filter flosses, cartridges, bio wheels, sponges and carbon), performing regular partial water changes, and for DOCs in particular, adding a protein skimmer (read reviews & compare prices). For those with systems that have been running for some time and use wet/dry trickle type filters, the bio media in them, especially bio balls, are real nitrate factories, and therefore should be carefully rinsed and cleaned periodically.
* While most hermit crab and snails won't eat this type of algae, the Left-Handed or Dwarf Zebra Hermit Crab has been known to peck away at it in an aquarium. To help keep the aquarium bottom clean and tidy add some tank friendly algae/detritus eating hermit crabs, one or two true crabs, shrimps, or other good substrate sifting tank janitors, or a fish. Scott Michael recommends the Orange-Spotted Sleeper Goby (Valenciennia puellaris) as being the best.
* When adding live rock, take the time to cure it properly.
* Important Note: If your tank is still cycling, DO NOT add any new animals, do ANY water changes, or perform ANY MAJOR substrate or filter cleaning tasks, other than to change dirty pre-filtering materials and/or to QUICK siphon stuff off the bottom, until the tank has COMPLETELY FINISHED cycling. Because this type of algae does not attach well, it can easily be peeled off and removed by light siphoning, with larger floating pieces being removed with a net, or turkey baster.

* Carbon Dioxide (CO 2 ): Low water flow or movement throughout the aquarium produces carbon dioxide (CO 2 ), which algae consume.
o Solutions: Depending on the size of the aquarium add a powerhead or two (Read Reviews & Compare Prices), install a wavemaker or surge device (Read Reviews & Compare Prices), and/or increase the flow rate or efficiency of the filtration system.

While cleaning up the tank and following proper maintenance care routines won't give immediate results, you can use one of a number of additives which you can find in Top Red Slime Algae Removers to cure the problem quickly (within a day or 2). However, many of these types of treatments appear to only solve the symptom (the slime algae), not the underlying problem(s). Cyanobacteria are a form of bacteria, and many of the additives currently in use are antibiotics, which are medications that can weaken or totally wipe out the biological filter base of an aquarium. Use these types of treatments cautiously!

By putting into action any of these solutions, as the growth sources are being eliminated you should see a gradual decrease in the growth of the slime algae. In the meantime, while you determine and correct the actual cause underlying the problem, the unsightly algae can manually be removed as mentioned above.

One final interesting note is that because slime algae consume nitrates, often when aquarists perform nitrate tests, the readings come up as normal. Don't be deceived. If you were to remove the algae temporarily before putting into action any of the above solutions, in all likelihood you will see a rise in the nitrate levels in the aquarium. It's like a Catch 22. The nitrates have actually been there all along, but unreadable as the algae is feeding on it, therefore the nitrates appear to be in check. This applies to many other forms of algae as well!
 
Thank you. That is a lot of good info.

We run a skimmer and I have recently turned up the volume a bit to get more skimate out faster. We also run a Phosban reactor with Phosphate remover and Activated Carbon in a filter sock in the top of the reactor. These get changed every time we do a water change.

I don't think the tank could take turning up the flow. Anything that is not glued down now wants to rock or move around. The red stuff is getting so long it looks like it is long blowing hair in the wind.

I have reduced the amount of food at each feeding. It has been 1/2 cube of frozen shrimp or an equal amount of Rod's Food so far. I cut that back to 1/3 cube.

We are running all good lamps. They are all Giesemann with 1 Midday 6000K, 2 Aquablue+ and one Pure Actinic bulb.

Our lighting schedule looks like this:

8:30am True Actinic and 1 Aquablue+ ON
9:30am 2nd Aquablue+ and Midday ON
7:30pm 2nd Aquablue+ and Midday OFF
8:30pm True Actinic and 1 Aquablue+ OFF
8:30pm 9v White LED's and Icecap blue moonlight retro tube ON
9:30pm 9v White LED's OFF
1:00am Icecap blue moonlight retro tube OFF
1:00am - 4:00am tank is dark
4:00am Icecap blue moonlight retro tube ON
7:30am 9v White LED's ON
8:30am 9v White LED's and Icecap blue moonlight retro tube OFF

That makes all four of the main lights being on for 10 hours a day. Should I reduce this?

The macro-algae we put in the fuge at the start of the tank has pretty much all died off. There is some small growth but nothing substantial. Should we get some more and replace what is there?
 
Your macro died off? What kind did you have and are you running a light on the refuge? Some macros go sexual and then will die. Get some chateo if you don't have any. If you come out this way I will give you some.
 
We had three types. Mexican caulerpa algae, Chaeto and one other that I can't remember the name of right now as we are so new to this. I wold love to get some from you but we can't make it to Kent easily this weekend.
 
The others were grape caulerpa and some halimeda algae so I guess there were 4 varieties. I don't know if it's all dead but it sure doesn't look good and healthy. And yes we have a fuge light. It's a red and blue LED array that is sold as a grow light and it is on 24/7.
 
the best light i have used for my fuge was a 75w internal flood light bulb. i have that same led light right now i will see how it works. as far as your lighting for your dt the 6k bulb is going to cause a lot of algae growth change it out for a 10 or 12k bulb
heres my light schedule:

0930 led actinic on
1130 light 1 (250w halide) on
1230 light 2 (250w halide) on
1730 light 1 off
1930 light 2 off
2100 led actinic off
the moon light is on a lunar cycle so it comes on sometimes during the day light hours
 
We have been thinking of changing it out for a more blue light so that fits right in with our plans anyway. I will shorten the light cycle too and more dark in the night.
 
yeah your moon light schedule is weird its like if you were sleeping in your room and your light came on in the middle of your sleep how would you react?
 
Its on from 8:30pm to 1:00am and then from 4:00am to 8:30am. It doesn't come on in the middle of the night. There's a 3 hour time frame that the tank is totally dark. I did lots of reading and it seems pretty split on whether its healthy or not to have moonlight on all night or to let the tank go dark for a while. I couldn't find anything that said for sure one way was better than the other.
 
i had that same cyno problem for a few months way worse case though, reminded me of that old movie "The Blob" everybody told me to wait it out and so I did, It took a month or more but soon enough it went away! completly free of it!
 
Like said already the 6k bulb will grow algae. Put the 6k on the refuge. But what you have isn't algae it's a bacteria. It will go away once the stuff causing it is used up or is taken away.
 
For cyano more flow. Try feeding less. I fed my corals once every 3 days and let the 4 fish get the rest.
 
Well, all that algae is eating something keeping your aquarium clean !

Bulbs, reef stuff only --- need some green for the tank --- algae cleans the water. I use good bulbs and it still grows. Use the previous advice and reduce feeding a little --- don't starve the fish.

I doesn't look that bad --- I would add some carbon and Phosban --- change some water --- OHH, I hate that advice --- everything is change water --- If you filter the water it will last long time --- the ocean has a lot of things in it that filter it.

Sumps work wonders --- only takes a little ingenuity to make a little sump -- grow a mangrove up the wall or something like that.

Hobby ???

Enjoy
 
Well, all that algae is eating something keeping your aquarium clean !

Bulbs, reef stuff only --- need some green for the tank --- algae cleans the water. I use good bulbs and it still grows. Use the previous advice and reduce feeding a little --- don't starve the fish.

I doesn't look that bad --- I would add some carbon and Phosban --- change some water --- OHH, I hate that advice --- everything is change water --- If you filter the water it will last long time --- the ocean has a lot of things in it that filter it.

Sumps work wonders --- only takes a little ingenuity to make a little sump -- grow a mangrove up the wall or something like that.

Hobby ???

Enjoy

Your advice is a bit confusing. A reef is a nutrient poor enviroment nealy void of algaes. Algea nutrient control in a closed reef system is done by removing the algea manually after it has grown. In the case of mangroves they grow so slow that they are not anything more than a decoration. Nutrient removal is via leaf dropping which happens so slow there is no way they could ever keep up.

Don
 
All these people do is follow me around and say bad things about my mother ! What good advice did DonW give ??

I see some pretty green and you mentioned Feather Dusters. Yea, how is your Protein Skimmer and carbon doing ? Purigen, it all helps. Suck up the substrate with the siphon hose into a bucket and pour off the saltwater --- put some fresh in and swirl it around and the cyano will fall off and die. Then, return it to the tank.

I cannot say more without water parameters --- and your tank color looks nice and the substrate looks clean. New food, lights, light schedule -- new fish ??

This too shall pass !

OFM
 
All these people do is follow me around and say bad things about my mother ! What good advice did DonW give ??

OFM

:lol: I'm really not sure where this came from. I personally have never said anything bad or anything at all about your mother!:confused:
Secondly you format your post in a manor that is difficult to understand. Sentence structure is just plain confusing so its difficult to understand what point your trying to make. Thirdly my post on this thread was clarification as to how to use algae to remove nutrients and an explanation as to how truely inefficient mangroves really are. They are decorations and nothing more unless your growing them in mass with extreme leaf growth rates.
I understand why you may feel that your being followed. You post alot of marginal outdated information. I'm sure you mean well and truely believe it helps but times have changed. Weve made this such a simple hobby that we no longer need to employ innefficient methods, Mangrove are one of them.

Don
 
DonW --- Yes, that was a little joke about being followed and people finding fault in everything I say.

And how can a proven method be outdated ? Even though Mangroves only help in a small way to control nutrients, the whole tank setup is designed with different approaches that when combined help control unwanted nutrients.

I guess I will have to become new school and recommend a water change to solve every problem. A very scientific approach !

OFM
 
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