I am treating 7 chromis 2 ocallris 1 manderine 1 psuedochromis 3 tangs a cardinal a fire fish and 2 other sump damsels. The main tank consists of sps lps and softies so a good mix of everything. Do I need to worry about any of my corals?
Any success with ICH in a reef
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Herefishyfishy
Smart Bass
Your tank will become a reef with no fish. The ick will die of old age and not be able to reproduce after 6 weeks + without fish present. In other words, empty of fish, it will clear itself up and be cured.
The fish, diseased and carriers, need to be treated. This will be done in a separate QT tank that is simple as possible and as stress free as possible. It will require a simple filter and regular water changes. Will most likely require a little buffering to keep the PH normal. Read the articals, they will answer most if not all of your questions.
Good luck
The fish, diseased and carriers, need to be treated. This will be done in a separate QT tank that is simple as possible and as stress free as possible. It will require a simple filter and regular water changes. Will most likely require a little buffering to keep the PH normal. Read the articals, they will answer most if not all of your questions.
Good luck
Well I am moving right along all fish are removed. at least I think they are all out, I will be keeping an eye out I think a wrasse may still be in there but I placed the rock he was in into the qt tank so I hope hes in there. This took all of 4 hours toremove all rock and fish so now I have a bunch of coral laying on the sand bed. I am going to kill off the rock for now to rid it of aptasia and othere things so it is perfectly clean and cured when I put it back in. Also I am still debating on going bare botton and removing all of the sand, I guess if I am going to do it now is the time. Thanks for all of the help and I will keep updating , all of the fish are in qt now so wish me luck and any tips are welcome. I will read those othere links asap. andy
Well everyone survived the night and is now in hypo, I thought I had caught my 6 line but he is still in the main display. I am really not looking forward to trying to catching him. Also do the cleaner shrimp need to come out??
Herefishyfishy
Smart Bass
The wrasse absolutely has to come out. The inverts need to stay, they will not survive hypo and are not carriers.
Ok I caught him so as of the 19th today my display is empty of all fish. and they are all in hypo so I guess now it is just a hurry up and wait game for a month or 2, I think I will be on the safe side and take 2 months.
Herefishyfishy
Smart Bass
Good job, you are over the hard part (at least barring any complications in QT.)
If you want to add any non-fish to the show tank, this week is a good time.
If you want to add any non-fish to the show tank, this week is a good time.
steve-s
Well-known member
You really don't have a lot of choice on the time frame so don't rush things. Hyposalinity levels should be maintained 4 weeks past when the last spot is seen on the fish, not just a 4 week term. Also be very careful while lowering the salinity and throughout the treatment to monitor pH and alkalinity. The diluted chemistry can allow the pH to crash if alkalinity is not maintained. Buffer your RO/fresh water in the beginning especially. Measure the salinity with a proper refractometer and target 12-14 ppt.
Be sure during the fallow period on the main tank that nothing wet/new is added.
acrylic_300
Cleaner Shrimp
I am having the same problem. I just introduced a fish that broke out with it... now some of the others are starting to show.
It happened to me once in the past and I fed fresh garlic for a couple months and it went away.
All of the fish that I have purchased since the first outbreak are the ones getting it worse...the others must be some what resistant.
Untill now the tank was ich free for 8 months...I am starting to feed garlic again. I will see how it goes this time.
It happened to me once in the past and I fed fresh garlic for a couple months and it went away.
All of the fish that I have purchased since the first outbreak are the ones getting it worse...the others must be some what resistant.
Untill now the tank was ich free for 8 months...I am starting to feed garlic again. I will see how it goes this time.
Herefishyfishy
Smart Bass
The problem with using garlic, although the symptoms could go away, the ick would still exist in a dormant form to come back again later. Need to kill it all off and or interrupt it's reproductive cycle. Hypo or medical treatment and tank fallow period, is the only way to be sure. Steve or others can explain it in much more detail.
acrylic_300
Cleaner Shrimp
Well, I discovered it when I realized that I can't catch my fish (flame angel in-particular).
"Fresh" garlic has a natural pesticide (allicine) in it that keeps insects from harming it. I take a serated knife and chop and damage the garlic as much as possible then soak it in a small amount of RO/DI water. It becomes so concentrated that one drop will take your breath away.
Then I thaw brine shrimp and suck all the water out of them by placing a paper towel beside them for a while. Once the water is mostly gone I replace it with the nasty garlic concentrate.
I feed them everyday with regular brine shrimp till they get used to it (2 or 3 days) then sneak the garlic sauce to them. I don't see how they can handle it but they do.
I think it is also good for the immune system. www.garlic-central.com/co-planting.html
"Fresh" garlic has a natural pesticide (allicine) in it that keeps insects from harming it. I take a serated knife and chop and damage the garlic as much as possible then soak it in a small amount of RO/DI water. It becomes so concentrated that one drop will take your breath away.
Then I thaw brine shrimp and suck all the water out of them by placing a paper towel beside them for a while. Once the water is mostly gone I replace it with the nasty garlic concentrate.
I feed them everyday with regular brine shrimp till they get used to it (2 or 3 days) then sneak the garlic sauce to them. I don't see how they can handle it but they do.
I think it is also good for the immune system. www.garlic-central.com/co-planting.html
steve-s
Well-known member
Unfortunately there is no substantiating proof in terms of garlic. The Allicin portion of Allium sativum has shown some promise but nothing more than that and certainly nothing conclusive. So far, the only thing that has been shown is it may work chemically as a deterrent. It has not shown much promise in the way of an actual cure unto itself although may be used in conjunction with proven remedies. If nothing else, it is a decent antioxidant.
Truth is, there are too many unknowns and nothing that has been quantified. Does it matter where the garlic was grown, fresh, frozen, processed, what amount, what duration, can it harm if over used and so on.
Until something more conclusive can be offered, I would stick with what we do know to work. No reason why you can't use garlic, I just wouldn't rely on it any more than others like it.
Truth is, there are too many unknowns and nothing that has been quantified. Does it matter where the garlic was grown, fresh, frozen, processed, what amount, what duration, can it harm if over used and so on.
Until something more conclusive can be offered, I would stick with what we do know to work. No reason why you can't use garlic, I just wouldn't rely on it any more than others like it.
Wow I am amazed at the wealth of knowlege here I mean I know plenty about alot of things but it seems I know nothing about everything sometimes, and here just the general knowlege about something as simlpe as garlic seems so complicated. I work at a technical job to do with rf and optical signals and have plenty of mechanical and electrical expierence and It still amazes me how little I know about the simplest things that seem to mean the most. I really mean this as a compliment and I am glad someone is always there to fill me in. thanks andy
acrylic_300
Cleaner Shrimp
Maybe garlic masks the fishes smell. My case of ich went away when I used it...but it could have gone away on its own just the same I guess.
By all means, if you can get ALL the fish into a different tank with hypo...then do it and let main tank fallow out.
I didn't have a choice...I wasn't going to remove 5-6 hundred lbs. of live rock to catch a fish thats too smart to go into a trap.
By all means, if you can get ALL the fish into a different tank with hypo...then do it and let main tank fallow out.
I didn't have a choice...I wasn't going to remove 5-6 hundred lbs. of live rock to catch a fish thats too smart to go into a trap.
