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DonW

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Thinking about a almost constant water change and just wondering how efficient it would be. Would it remove enough nutrients? How much would have to be changed to be equal to a normal water change. I could easily set up a system that could change a quart or so at a time at any interval. Example: 1qt every hour 24 hours = 6 gallons per day.

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Don
 
Sounds like a great idea but not really sure how effective it would be at removing the excess nutrients. I know when I do water changes I'm actually removing the water at and around all the LR. And usually stirring a small area of the bottom as well. Of course my current leaves a little to be desired so maybe you don't have that problem of buildup on the LR.

If you figure it out post a pict. I'm interested in how you would accomplish it. My math also isn't very good but 1qt=6gal must mean you are evaping 5 3/4 gal a day so you will replace that and add fresh SW at 1qt?

Just curious
 
Ohgee said:
Sounds like a great idea but not really sure how effective it would be at removing the excess nutrients. I know when I do water changes I'm actually removing the water at and around all the LR. And usually stirring a small area of the bottom as well. Of course my current leaves a little to be desired so maybe you don't have that problem of buildup on the LR.

If you figure it out post a pict. I'm interested in how you would accomplish it. My math also isn't very good but 1qt=6gal must mean you are evaping 5 3/4 gal a day so you will replace that and add fresh SW at 1qt?

Just curious

Its a very simple and easy to build system. I posted to ask Randy on RC, he thinks its a good idea and also does the same. He uses a dual head pump but I think I could do it for less than $40.
I do evap 5g per day but that has to be seperate and replentished with rodi. If you replentish with sw your salinity will be all out of wack.

Don
 
Don wouldn't the effectiveness of many small changes be lost over a larger one. My idea is if you change 20% of 100gal, you are changing 20 galllons of "bad" water. If you do 4 5% changes aren't you going to be theoretically changing some of the water you just put in?
 
Kensn said:
Don wouldn't the effectiveness of many small changes be lost over a larger one. My idea is if you change 20% of 100gal, you are changing 20 galllons of "bad" water. If you do 4 5% changes aren't you going to be theoretically changing some of the water you just put in?

Yes, that is my question also. Essentially it would double the amount of salt I use now but would be hands free. Since I'm in the process of revamping my entire automation system. I thought I would add a automated water change to the new system. Just havent decided which is the best way to go.

Don
 
Well Don, I have also pondered the same thing, mixing the water, and suppling it to the tank is no problem, but I don't know what would be a good way of automaticaly disposing of the water that you are replacing. A direct line to a house drain would be ideal. As far as fully automatic it would take some fancy wiring with float switches and such, but semi-automatic, where I just have to turn a couple of valves is what I'm shooting for.
 
Kensn said:
Well Don, I have also pondered the same thing, mixing the water, and suppling it to the tank is no problem, but I don't know what would be a good way of automaticaly disposing of the water that you are replacing. A direct line to a house drain would be ideal. As far as fully automatic it would take some fancy wiring with float switches and such, but semi-automatic, where I just have to turn a couple of valves is what I'm shooting for.

Connecting it to the house drain is of course Ideal. Fully automated is easier and requires no real automation skill. If you have room for a second sump the size of your waterchanges it even easier.

Don
 
WaterDogs said:
I have an automated water change system - oh dear, it's time for a water change! :)
I'll trade with you. I can only get mine to cook. ;)
Wasn't there a thread somewhere that showed an auto water change system. The guy had pics with it draining down his driveway. It had something to do with flushing out the sump with new salt water. The only thing I didn't like was you were remove some of the water you just added.
 
I assume that the water you would remove would be water that was surface-skimmed from the tank (via your overflow system), which many assume to contain a higher amount of suspended/disolved organics. If the water you add is a few degrees cooler than your tank water, this water would tend to sink to the bottom, and reduce the chance of it being removed right away by the surface skimming. This should increase your efficiency (in terms of nutrient export and trace mineral replacement) a bit for a continuous system like you describe.
 
I saw that article. Was pretty much what Randy told me in advance. I'm doing 3x40g weekly now. Since its all automated I can change the amounts pretty easy. We'll see how it go's for another few months. The one real drawback so far is the low mg in IO.

Don
 
Kensn said:
Well Don, I have also pondered the same thing, mixing the water, and suppling it to the tank is no problem, but I don't know what would be a good way of automaticaly disposing of the water that you are replacing. A direct line to a house drain would be ideal. As far as fully automatic it would take some fancy wiring with float switches and such, but semi-automatic, where I just have to turn a couple of valves is what I'm shooting for.

Semi automatic? Here ya go.

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My2heartboys said:
Cute!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:)

Anne
duh------now I get it. Unfortunately that wouldn't work for me. I can't even get mine to find the time to post the pictures that I have taken!!!!!

Anne
 
dnjan said:
I assume that the water you would remove would be water that was surface-skimmed from the tank (via your overflow system), which many assume to contain a higher amount of suspended/disolved organics. If the water you add is a few degrees cooler than your tank water, this water would tend to sink to the bottom, and reduce the chance of it being removed right away by the surface skimming. This should increase your efficiency (in terms of nutrient export and trace mineral replacement) a bit for a continuous system like you describe.

I have found basically doing what you describe works well and I've added a few tricks. I don't agree with Randy's Article on small changes being effective. It will work but you toss out an awful lot of the fresh salt mix you put in with small changes and it is very inefficient. I agree that larger periodic changes done more in the manner you describe makes the change more effective.

I've semi automated my method by putting a small waste pump in my sump, a MaxiJet 900. I have read too many horror stories of tank melt downs from trying to over automate water changes or add make up water. My waste pump is controlled by a high level switch in my sump. When the level in the sump reaches a very high level the pump turns on and quickly pumps the excess water to the sewer drain.

To make my water change, I make up a batch of fresh salt water, normally about 40% of the system volume, and let it set over night in the makeup tank.

My fresh mix is a few degrees cooler and a slightly higher SG. My wet skimming drops my SG a little over a couple of weeks and I need to adjust it back up. I have a small transfer pump in the makeup tank that is plumbed to the top of my tank.

Making a water change is easy from this point. I turn off all the pumps to stop the strong tank mixing currents, with a master switch. The tank level drops to the tank wier over flow level.

I then turn on the fresh saltwater transfer pump and slowly add the new salt water into the top of the tank and I don't cause a lot of mixing action. It takes about 4 or 5 minutes to slowly transfer the fresh mix. The fresh salt mix sinks slowy to the bottom because of it's higher SG and lower temperature. The old water is slowly pushed to the top and over the overflow into the sump. As the sump fills the small waste pump automatically pumps the excess into the drain. When the fresh mix tank is empty I turn all the system circulation and filter pumps back on.

Even with the slight differential in SG and temperature of the fresh salt mix, SPS and softie coral polyups don't even close. I haven't lost any coral to shock. In fact, they all expand and bloom after a water change.

I find making water changes in this manner makes it very easy. It also assure me I am not just dumping back out alot of the fresh mix I am adding. :)
 
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Replacing water at a constant would seem to be a good thing but you would still need to export waste by other means, this I think automation would be virtually expensive or impossible unless you own a robot :D
 
Scooterman,

Did you ever build that wave tower reef tank? Great idea. It would make it easy to do effective water changes with it. Periodically fill one of the towers with fresh mix and have the main tank to overflow to drain.
 
ldrhawke said:
Scooterman,

Did you ever build that wave tower reef tank? Great idea. It would make it easy to do effective water changes with it. Periodically fill one of the towers with fresh mix and have the main tank to overflow to drain.

What is the Wave Tower Reef?
 

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