Battling brown cyano

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josh88

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Ok I think I.figured out why I had an out break. I got rots 2 weeks ago, And being new I didn't rinse them, just plunged them into my tank. So I've been doing 10% wc every other day. I've been manually removing the cyano I can with turkey baster. I added and extra power head in my tank. I also talk to my LFS, he said for me to use my dual controller, to allow my skimmer to get what it can, And clean it every night cause it will get clogged. I need to clean the back sump area tomorrow. Is there anything else I could be doing?

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I believe cyno likes the light to grow. I could be wrong, but it relies on the light like algae does. I have had cyno in the past and was told to turn out the lights for three day.
And increase the flow in that area. It worked for me. I dont know the science behind it. Someone here does and may chime in.
It wont hurt anything in the tank, with lights out . So you have nothing to lose, Give it a try and see if it helps.
 
Sounds good man. I'll grab a pic tonight and post it, so ya all know and see what I'm working with. I'm also guessing that all the crappy looking stuff in my sump needs to be taken out. But It's like stuck to acrylic. So a diy scrubber maybe in store lol

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A scrubber will probably work. But IMO that is a band aid, find out what is causing it and nip it in the butt at the source.
 
Oh man. So I'm researching more and more. And its not sounding like cyano. The only way I can describe it is Like a murky redish brown, mostly brown. looks like strings of snot but it is slimy. It comes off my rocks really easily, I have a brush that I sweep lightly over the rock, and it comes right off. I'm hoping its not dinoflagellate, it could be lyngbya
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It looks kinds like this but redish brown.

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Sounds like hair algae. It comes in many different colors, not just green. It usually mean you have excess phosphates and need to find the source to rid yourself of it. If it is hair algae there are numerous critters that will consume it but again that is only a band aid. Once you find the source of it's food and reduce it or eliminate it the algae will recede on it's own.
 
Yes I am afraid you have dinoflagellates. There are couple different treatments out there I believe, but generally it is the result of too much nutrients being trapped in your water, not enough live rock,and/or there not being enough flow. What happens is that the dino's sort of "take over" the job of consuming nutrients that is normally done by the beneficial bacteria and algae that are normally in our live rocks and our refugiums. I had them for a while but successfully got rid of them.

My strategy was: Turn off your lights for a few days(since they disappear without light energy) and skim VERY wet(emptying your skimmer cup multiple times a day) for the days while you have your lights off. This will help you get rid of as many nutrients as possible(which the dinos consume for food). I don't recommend water changes as they seem to exacerbate the dino problem for some reason. Next, since dino's are a symptom of a larger problem, you'll have to change some things around in your tank. You want to increase flow, and try to get rid of "dead spots" in the tank. You also want to make sure that your rock structure is open enough and actually has flow moving through it. For example, if you just had a large pile of rock in your tank, and no powerheads pointed at it, then you aren't going to get much flow THROUGH your live rock. Lack of flow is detrimental to your beneficial bacteria, and will contribute to allowing the dinoflagelates to get "the upper hand." So in summary, turn out lights and skim heavy for a few days to get rid of nutrients, and increase flow through your rock work by "opening up" your aquascape, and repositioning/adding more powerheads.

Edit to add that you also may want to replace your lightbulbs if they are old. Spectrally shifted old bulbs may also contribute.

Peace,
Jesse
 
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Definitely dinos based on your pictures and your description of "The only way I can describe it is Like a murky redish brown, mostly brown. looks like strings of snot but it is slimy. It comes off my rocks really easily, I have a brush that I sweep lightly over the rock, and it comes right off."
 
i completely concure with jesse... u got dino's.

just wanted to add that detritus removal from the rock and substrate is very important, take that rock out and scrub it with a hard plastic brush in a bucket of saltwater and rinse extremely well with clean saltwater.
also run a fresh bag of carbon 24/7 while your lights are out for a few days.
 
Ok what about my button polyps, and pink finger polyps(or something like it) are they going to.ok, or how should I treat the rock they are on

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The wetter you skim, the more organics you take out(to a point). Since your water will be full of organics when you turn the lights off(because the dinos disappear), it is better to skim wet so you can remove as much as you can. You don't want the bubble line spilling in to your cup, but close enough so that you are filling the cup at least once a day, preferably two depending on how crazy your skimmer goes. If your skimmer isn't going crazy during the lights out period, then I question how well the skimmer works, which may in itself contribute to the dino problems.
 
1. Take rocks out of tank and remove as much crud as you can.
2. Re-position/add power heads to increase flow after you replace rocks.
3. Add carbon to tank.
4. Turn off lights for a few days and skim wet
5. Turn lights back on and see if your problem is any better. You may have to repeat steps 2 - 5.

Another tool that also helps is a turkey baster. Every tank owner should have a turkey baster. If you use the baster to "blast" your rocks once a day, it will stir up some of the crud that is settling, put it back in to the water column, where some an be skimmed out. This will help to keep your rocks from accumulating a lot of crud over time.

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