Biting Fishes Okay Together?

[Reeferdude]

This site has no shortage of opinionated members willing to express their views. Are you making a point pertaining to the topic, other than the methodology on the survey?

As to confrontational comments, in lieu of prompting discussion; they tend to suppress others from expressing their opinions. Whereas there are many who express varied opinions here, there are very few who go on the attack. Putting words in another's mouth is not being confrontational as much as being less than polite...

Regards,
Mike

I reckon it depends on which post, sentence, and or response/statement you're referring to. In the above specific quote; No. This discussion has taken many turns and in totality remain congruent. I hope I answered you question. I'm sure how to respond to your second paragraph other than, OK.:|

 

[Jan]

My vote was for scenario #4, disapprove...fish must be separated, etc. I would not have voted for #5 because of the emotion added to that scenario, the "angry/upset" part. I don't see any reason to add the emotion into the equation so that's why I didn't vote for that one.

 

[Jim Hart]

As I said earlier, the fish would have been swallowed whole if it were not for the protection of your glass box, that he/she now has no choice but to call home.

fish fight for dominance, one will win and one will loose thats life. My clown fish are constantly battling over who gets to be female, should i seperate them all so the can all be female?

 

[leebca]

Nature, in the broadest sense, is equivalent to the natural world, physical universe, material world or material universe. "Nature" refers to the phenomena of the physical world, and also to life in general. The term generally does not include manufactured objects and human interaction unless qualified in ways such as, e.g., "human nature" or "the whole of nature".

Jim,

I distinguish between the paired Anemonefish interaction and the presented scenario because I go along with the general concept of 'nature.' The male-female interaction you see between mated Anemonefish in the aquarium is the same found in the wild. That is natural. The interaction going on-and-on in the aquarium in the presented scenario is not necessarily natural. I define the 'natural' course as that which goes on (and on) in the wild. If that goes on and on in the aquarium well. . .I think most of us would want that, in general terms.

In the wild fish can get away from other fish and leave/respect territory. The mated pair doesn't operate like that and to me, though some do not like seeing the male so bullied, it is the way it is in nature.

 

[leebca]

Scooterman,

I don't know. My faith in humanity is often shaken. Ever since I learned in high school of how Nazis treated people and that in some camps, Jews put other Jews to death on Nazi orders, I don't wonder what people are capable of when it comes to animals. The Milgram Experiment seems to show that humans can harm humans when a person thinks he/she doesn't have the responsibility for the harm.

I figured. if people can do that to people, would it be that much harder to do it to fish? That is, 'It's okay for the fish to be in this scenario because I'm not responsible for their behavior.' I expected more than 80% of the responses to be in first or second choice. The 'experimenter' here is Nature.

I simply thought that more people would not feel responsible for the behavior of their fishes and vote to approve or to disapprove but let it continue, like the 'teachers' in The Milgram Experiment. Maybe pet owners are a different 'breed?' I wonder how avid pet owners (as a group) would test out in a Milgram Experiment?

For reference: The Milgram Experiment a short description

Anyway, this was going to be my summary, the one I promised Jan. Just brought on earlier by Scooterman's post.

 

[Scooterman]

Maybe your missing the commonality of the people here, we all share a passion for what we keep, at least the majority anyways. If you asked my brother-in-law then he would want to see them fight to the death! So your expected answerers are probably skewed in that aspect unless it was meant to be focused on just a reefing community, then you got what wasn't expected but i would of thought just the opposite & people here would not want to let them harm each other.

Cool experiment, I would of thought people would abandon the practice at some point & not harm anyone.

 

[leebca]

The experiment has multi layers of 'unsettlement' for me. Something like the simple message in The Devil Wears Prada. We can easily convince ourselves into believing we have no choice. I think you're right about this being a different group. A subset of sorts, of society.

That's encouraging!

 

[Herefishyfishy]

I simply thought that more people would not feel responsible for the behavior of their fishes and vote to approve or to disapprove but let it continue, like the 'teachers' in The Milgram Experiment. Maybe pet owners are a different 'breed?' I wonder how avid pet owners (as a group) would test out in a Milgram Experiment?

The Milgram Experiment had no controls regarding participants:who was willing to participate in the project. I for one would not submit to any psychological experiment for pay. My neighbor who dislikes small dogs, would probably enjoy it. Simply taking statistics on who was even willing to submit to experimentation for pay, is an experiment in itself. Making any reasonable conclusions based on a flawed project could be even further out. Stated differently, sheep applied, sheep were hired, then acted like sheep.
Freakonomics, an excellent read, is about incorrect assumptions based on apparent cause/effect relationships to any groups of data. I could be convinced that most that "don't care," don't care enough to keep a marine aquarium.

 

[Jan]

There was a message in The Devil Wears Prada? :lol:

 

[leebca]

That's what the Hawthorne effect is all about.

I think that the most who don't care aren't on the Internet in these Forums. But many who don't care, have a marine aquarium. I'll post another (hopefully not as troublesome poll) here: The Missing Fish Mystery Poll

I promise. Last poll for this year!

 

[Herefishyfishy]

I promise. Last poll for this year!

They can be fun, keep em up...

 

[Reeferdude]

The Milgram Experiment had no controls regarding participants:who was willing to participate in the project. I for one would not submit to any psychological experiment for pay. My neighbor who dislikes small dogs, would probably enjoy it. Simply taking statistics on who was even willing to submit to experimentation for pay, is an experiment in itself. Making any reasonable conclusions based on a flawed project could be even further out. Stated differently, sheep applied, sheep were hired, then acted like sheep.
Freakonomics, an excellent read, is about incorrect assumptions based on apparent cause/effect relationships to any groups of data. I could be convinced that most that "don't care," don't care enough to keep a marine aquarium.

Well said. Personally, comparing people to animals is flawed in and of it self.

 

[Herefishyfishy]

Well said. Personally, comparing people to animals is flawed in and of it self.

You have the wisdom of an owl and are sly as a fox:lol::lol:
(sorry, I'm weak)

 

[Jim Hart]

"Cool experiment, I would of thought people would abandon the practice at some point & not harm anyone."

As for the above quote, if this were to happen no one would have an aquarium at all.

 

[Jim Hart]

Like Said before and got no comments on. the fish could have been swallowed whole ....

 

[Planet Reef]

Like Said before and got no comments on. the fish could have been swallowed whole ....

OK, I'll bite (get it)

In the ocean, we have no control over who eats who. However, I feel that once the animal was put in your tank, you have certain responsibilities. Those include feeding them, keeping their water parameters correct, and protecting them from undue stress or damage.