Actually the laws/principles I am refering to dont come from him, they area just the priciples/laws. Escobar never built or designed a skimmer, he wrote a book that had the math behind principles used to design equipment for the aquaculture industry. Alot of the laws/principles are the same for a variety of equipment (UV/chiller/heater and so on)
JCTewks I agree that whatever organics make it into the foam head are most likely going to be removed. But my friend thats not the dwell time. The organics come into a skimmer (any skimmer) via the water, they are attached to water molecules. Each organic molecule has a different strength of bond to the water mole, we are using the only two methods available to break that bond an rebond it to an air bubble. Mechanically we beat he hell out it by have air bubbles constantly bombard it, this happens where the water and the air colide with each other (you see all the air bubbles traveling through the water) not when its in the foam column, when its in the column its not in the presence of the water (where the organics are bound) at this point the deal is done or not already, its like being in one of those tubes where the money is floating around and you get to grab it. When your in the tube your making money, once your out your just counting? make sence?? The other process is the chemical reaction. This is where the bond has already been broken and now you have to have a clean surface that the organic can bond to. The clean surface is the air bubble, the succes of this process is based on a few things. One is that we have alot of them as their will be a lot of organics, the other is that we allow enough time to have he varying organics to attach, from thier its into the column and out. Now you dont have to have 4 mins or 2 or 10 seconds its all on how much and of what kind you want to remove. thats all.
For me.. I dont have a side, but its like me saying they all have combustion engines, and the engine is attached to the tranny and then the so on and so.
see above, but buddy thats not where the reaction occurs. Take a peek at any large skimmer (10K and above) in any aquaculture or simular facility. the mixing chamber (where and air and water colide) is 85% of the unit, the balance is just where the end product (foam) seperates form the body.
Agreed for sure when comparing the power comsumtion between these two the cone thingy is definately less on the electrical bill. On the flow inside I am not so sure, from what I read the becketts are running 2000gph pumps and the cones are running 1200 right?? that and the cones are smaller so maybe more turbulant in the cone? unless I misread.
No what I mean is that 85% of the fluid in the skimmer has to be water, the balance air, so just take you skimmer and plug the air, the fluid level in the skimmer will come down, now just look at it and measure.
Yes and no, more to prove a point. If you buy a cheap microscope put some skimmate under it and take a peek, you will find a ton of life in it (and that not including bacteria). The point was skimmers like the cone and the beckett and any other skimmer that has to use a pump to generate air usually becomes a freight train of foam (or foam cannon as someone here mentioned) all sorts of life gets caught up in that and ejected. F0r me I am kind of a nuke it guy so I am not worried about it, but for those folks that add stuff like rotifers, live food, aminos..stuff like that..well your going backwards.
Just the actually water. If you look at any skimmer where the air and water are mixing, that is what I am refering to, So the easy way to do it is to put a tape to it and measure it when it is running both air and water, the plug the air intake and the water level should drop. Measure again and you get the difference. Make sence?
Actually looking at he vid's posted it doesnt look like their is alot of turbulance in the mixing chamber JCT. To much would of coarse cause the bubbles to burst then blend and make really large bubbles. Got a question for ya, I see the plate inside the skimmer (is that the diffuser your refering to?) When looking at the end foam at the mouth of the neck you can see a bunch of reall big bubbles come through, we used to call that burping. In the past when I have put a plate like that over the bubbles I got the same thing, has anyone tried it with out that plate or is it fixed in place??
Man you guys are making me work here
Tough to answer it depends on the compound and its make up. Most protiens (bad word by the way) are made up of many differing moles (what in detritus??) so your going to get many differing bonds when it comes to Philics attaching to phobics. As in their could be a component in the phobic that resists bonding from a component in the philic. To be honest according to some testing done for the aquaculture industry some protiens can take up to 4 minutes, but I think at some point we have to say good enough. Does that make sence??
No...Bad Maxx ..bad Maxx . The concept of a cone is probibly just that the top narrows so its easier to raise the foam through the skimmer chamber. Heres the big hint..or the point I am trying to make, STOP thinking about pumps, Stop thinking about shape and start thinking about the laws that govern skimming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some other thoughts. Most all organics (once skimmed) are clear?? how come yours is so dark?? what are you actually skimming??
Only 15 to 20% of total water/foam in your skimmer is supposed to be bubbles, whats yours like?? plug the venturies and take a peek??
If your skimmer is powering out foam are you not frieght training whatever gets in it way?? good or bad??
The math is their just do some calculations and you can see where you sit.
ok back into my corner I go.
Mike
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