plack
Sea Otter
Hi Boomer,
So do you see the two articles as far as IO's amount of aluminun consistent or different?
So do you see the two articles as far as IO's amount of aluminun consistent or different?
Different brands of salt
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Boomer
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Hi Plack
Two reports by different sources so Al around 6 or so ppb. Havonec shows no reading for Al in IO. He gives a NSW one from a book, Pilson @ .27 ppb (.00027 ppm) and NSW-M at 20 ppb, so even his NSW values are different. I have a number of books that show similar slight variations, .002 ppm or 2 ppb and another at 2 ug / l or .002 ppm. Based on that I find the Al in IO in the Havonec paper a little shaky and wonder how they ran their methods for Al and most of the others to be so low in Al, yet the NSW-M so high.
Make sure you go back and re-read my edits
I would not really worry to much about Al being in a few ppb
Two reports by different sources so Al around 6 or so ppb. Havonec shows no reading for Al in IO. He gives a NSW one from a book, Pilson @ .27 ppb (.00027 ppm) and NSW-M at 20 ppb, so even his NSW values are different. I have a number of books that show similar slight variations, .002 ppm or 2 ppb and another at 2 ug / l or .002 ppm. Based on that I find the Al in IO in the Havonec paper a little shaky and wonder how they ran their methods for Al and most of the others to be so low in Al, yet the NSW-M so high.
Make sure you go back and re-read my edits
I would not really worry to much about Al being in a few ppb
Boomer
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It's a great article and it's well worth taking the time to read it.
I and many others think it is a waste. It has many errors and erroneous assumptions Ron won't answer. RC is filled with debates on this article and it is the reason behind Havonec paper, to point out Ron's errors and assumptions.
I and many others think it is a waste. It has many errors and erroneous assumptions Ron won't answer. RC is filled with debates on this article and it is the reason behind Havonec paper, to point out Ron's errors and assumptions.
Boomer
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And then there is Randy and his Al article forgot about it
Aluminum and aluminum-based phosphate binders
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/july2003/chem.htm
More here
Reef Aquaria with Low Soluble Metals
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-04/rhf/feature/index.htm
Aluminum and aluminum-based phosphate binders
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/july2003/chem.htm
More here
Reef Aquaria with Low Soluble Metals
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-04/rhf/feature/index.htm
plack
Sea Otter
I was really just trying to figure if any salt was better for my animals than what I am using currently (Oceanic_yes I have had some cyano and bubble alge some) and also had hi calcium when I got to 1.025 and was reading how it seems better to keep it at say 420 and have salinity a little lower then came across this as I was thinking about changing salt's and now I don't know what brand is better if any are ?
Beckmola24
Hawkfish
I accidentally gave the link to a new thread here on my first post.... I'm sure a lot of y'all have been following the thread on RC, but I corrected the link and it's now the one about Oceanic Salt. Here is the link again... I must've been in La La land when first posting :lol:http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=511981:)
Plack I am going to try out Tropic Marine Pro... Here is the link on Premium Aquatics concerning the TMP... It's a bit more money than others, but it's pharmaceutical grade and I will have a SPS tank so it really fits my needs pretty well. If you read the link below, it explains that Tropic Marine Pro is formulated specifically for reef tanks. I've heard just regular Tropic Marine is pretty good too. They outline the different salts pretty well on PremiumAquatics. IMO.... HTH
http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merc...Product_Code=SALT-TM-200PR&Category_Code=Salt
Plack I am going to try out Tropic Marine Pro... Here is the link on Premium Aquatics concerning the TMP... It's a bit more money than others, but it's pharmaceutical grade and I will have a SPS tank so it really fits my needs pretty well. If you read the link below, it explains that Tropic Marine Pro is formulated specifically for reef tanks. I've heard just regular Tropic Marine is pretty good too. They outline the different salts pretty well on PremiumAquatics. IMO.... HTH
http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merc...Product_Code=SALT-TM-200PR&Category_Code=Salt
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Scooterman
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I'd like to see their testing on the TMP. I wonder if using Oceanic, or TMP & adjusting salinity to 35 ppm would affect the outcome?
fishermann
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Phosphates tested the highest in Topic Marin in the salt tests, I was using it and switched to Oceanic 6 mos or more ago and have no issues with cyno, I keep the SG at 1.023-4.
Boomer
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Plack, all us old farts and so called chemist just us IO. I really just don't see an issue with it. One could use real coral reef seawater and many would still complain Most of the salts are OK. No one knows which salt is the best and never will, when it comes to keeping animals, there are to many hobbyist variables. IMHO which ever one works best for YOUR tank
Most of the salts are OK. No one knows which salt is the best and never will, when it comes to keeping animals, there are to many hobbyist variables. IMHO which ever one works best for YOUR tank
plack
Sea Otter
Thank's boomer
ROWAUSA said:
Well, my Salifert kh test came out at 7.6. I know that is a bit low from the 8.0 of NSW, but I expected it to be low because of the pure H2O I use in the first place. So I am still sticking with Oceanic. I have a 60 gallon experiment tank that is either covered with green star polyp or hair algae and I have not done a water change in over 6 months. I know, shame on me, but like I said, it's and experiment. The reason for the hair algae is high phosphates due to over feeding.
bigdave
bigdave
Well I have to jump on board with the IO fans! I have been having problems with my Alk being low and my Calc being high. I have a calcium reactor and I am doing biweekly water changes and daily mointor of the Calc and Alk. I was using Oceanic Sea Salt and talk with Big T and he told me to try to go back with IO. After Checking a fresh batch of Oceanic using proper mixing instructions I found that Calc was 580 and Alk was 5.0 dkh. Mixing the IO Calc was 420 and Alk was 7.8dkh. Sorry no more Oceanic for me I will stick with the good old IO. Thanks Dave
Scooterman
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you may want to check your test kits, I never saw IO at 420 unless your mixing it higher than 35ppm
WaterDogs
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The problem with IO is it mixing up with a CA level of 340-350, how can that be considered a balanced salt mix when seawater is 400-420? I prefer to start with a complete mix and not a job half done thus shorting the hobbyist because the manufacturer wanted to save a nickel. The real bargain is spending a few dollars more and getting a salt that is closer to what it should be instead of having to doctor it up right out of the bag.
Scooterman
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waterdogs, guess you haven't see the latest test results have you?
IO is a balanced salt mix, low on ca maybe but balanced, bumping the ca a little is easy compared to the problems every other salt mix provides.
IO is a balanced salt mix, low on ca maybe but balanced, bumping the ca a little is easy compared to the problems every other salt mix provides.
WaterDogs
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If it's low in CA, it's not balanced.
wrightme43
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It can be balanced quite easily. My understanding of balanced artifical seawater is a ration between CA/ALK. I.O. Works very well for me. I am absolutely certian that other salts work well for other people. I in my tanks would rather add a little CA if I need it. I have found it is much easier to add than to take away. Here is another thing I like about it. From reading, I have found that high CA and Low Alk levels make it harder for corals to produce thier skeleton, much harder. Its one of those things that each tank and person caring for it, has a choice. For me I.O. provides exactly what I want in a salt mix. I like it.
bigdave
bigdave
Scooterman said:
The IO was more balanced than the Oceanic. Sorry if I may have had a type OOO
! I'm not a computer god like some . it was 320. The point was I have had nothing but trouble since swiching to Oceanic on keeping my chem correct on the tank. Thanks Davebigdave
bigdave
WaterDogs said:
What brand do you recommend? Thanks Dave
wrightme43
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Hay, Big Dave, tipoos r compeetly un exceptabil hear on ref frontears. U ned 2 taak a bath in skimmate 2 a tone fer ur sens. LOL Couldnt help it man. I figured somthing like that had happened or you had read the kit wrong. Mine reads about 350-375 on salifert. CA that is. Steve
