Don't Break the Chain....

[Ed Hahn]

I would love to do a Don't Break the Chain Pay It Forward thing in Seattle Area.
DBTC would mean each person gets a coral and frags it every now and then to another club member. You want the person to let coral grow to a good 5 inch colonie before fragging.

But rules are person must be a member of club to get a frag. He will not charge another person for frag. He will pay it forward to other club members.

What are your ideas on this?
Ed

 

[trido]

I Like it. Im tired so I wont elaborate until morning.

 

[Ed Hahn]

Paperwork for projected Plan if this is followed through.

Person has to be member of club.
You will post frags of your own(whatever coral you have grown to prove you are good with SPS, LPS, softie)
You are good with SPS, LPS or Softie.
You agree to Frag the Coral (You recieved) to at least two other persons before trading, etc.
You pick it up from BOD member at Club Meeting.

 

[trido]

I didnt get to elaborate. I have a large green samoensis and a pocillapora damicornus that were both given to me as a frags from a PSAS member two years ago that I'd be more than happy to give a member a large frag of. In short time I'll also have a large enough colony of Bob Moore blue stag or blue sparkler to frag for someone as well.

 

[Ed Hahn]

I will give you a copy of article I have at Raffle. Its a idea, lets see if people want to follow it. Its a chance for group to grow together.

 

[Ed Hahn]

I think Bob Moore Stag would be awesome to start Chain with.
It represents a previous member that shared the wealth in hobby.

 

[trido]

I read the artical a couple of days ago and think its a great idea. What do you have in mind Ed? I think this should be discussed in more detail for sure. Do we simply get a DBTC thread started and go from there? How do you think we should screen recipients? Are we only offering the elite, big name corals to each other? I mentioned a few large pieces I have and you didnt seem real impressed and after reading the artical I can see why. IMO a generic samonesis or pocillapora damicornus can be easily obtained by anyone.
I have a couple of pieces of ORA rose millepora and an ORA green sarco leather that would be nice pieces to share with fellow members. What do you think?
Again, when I get a minute Ill send my friend Rich from BAy Area Reefers and get his impreesion of its success and if he's involved personally. Maybe he can give some insight to help make it more successful from the start.

 

[Ed Hahn]

Duane,
I do not think any coral would be a mistake. We want healthy pest free animals to share. I will keep an eye out. I ask you guys to do the same of something you think is awesome.

 

[steven11]

I think the Bob Moore stag is a perfect coral. It should be held as special as any other coral on the market to our PSAS members. The feeling that i got from the article is that this is definately more than just a free piece of coral.

 

[krisfal]

I also read the article, sounds like a great idea and I would look forward to it down the road sometime.

I am still in the process of figuring out how to get my SPS to thrive. Although the addition of some DIY lumenarc like reflectors I made and added a couple of weeks ago seems to have really made a difference, I have suffered from brown corals for a while now and most are really coloring up since I added the reflectors (My Superman and Rainbow Montis are turning blue). Until I am certain that I have this SPS thing down pat, I do not feel I would be a good candidate to receive a frag of something rare or unique.

 

[Ed Hahn]

Duane,
I do not think any coral would be a mistake. We want healthy pest free animals to share. I will keep an eye out. I ask you guys to do the same of something you think is awesome.

I just reread this article. Duane I sounded like a jerk. I am sorry. I know you had a bout with a coral predator. The corals you have sound awesome.
I meant I will keep a eye out too for something we can share as group.

 

[trido]

No, you didnt sound like a jerk Ed. I was throwing out ideas and you didnt seem to jump at them and that is not a problem. As a team we need to be able to say "you know, I suppose that would work but,......." Not everything that comes out of my mouth is great or even feasable for that matter. I also figured that the meeting wasnt really a very good palce to dicuss it because things were hectic.
Your right, I was, am, and will be battling AEFW's for a long time. Ive been dipping and dipping for nearly a year now to no avail except for a couple two month periods when I thought they were gone. After reading the artical "Living with AEFWs" written by Richard Ross, also in the issue. I feel that his approach is my best option. Weekly or bi-weekly intervention is not too bad of an idea. Its definately easier than removing corals and dipping or risking up to 20% losses with levamisole. If noone want my corals I will fully understand. But, a small frag can easily QT'd ,dipped and inspected for AEFW's. The worms tend to live down in the crevises of large colonies and lay thier eggs down near the encrusted base. A fragged tip is actually pretty unlikey to have any AEFW's. They especially dont like the Bob Moore stag. AEFW's seem to be extremely partial to certain kinds of corals and cant stand others. They love all milles, and only one of my two bonzias for example. They have never infected any of my stags, torts, stylos, pocilloporas etc. Like I said, some day I may actually publish my findings in order to help educate more people in the hobby about them. I guess in the mean time Ill keep studying them in my tank.

 

[Ed Hahn]

No, you didnt sound like a jerk Ed. I was throwing out ideas and you didnt seem to jump at them and that is not a problem. As a team we need to be able to say "you know, I suppose that would work but,......." Not everything that comes out of my mouth is great or even feasable for that matter. I also figured that the meeting wasnt really a very good palce to dicuss it because things were hectic.
Your right, I was, am, and will be battling AEFW's for a long time. Ive been dipping and dipping for nearly a year now to no avail except for a couple two month periods when I thought they were gone. After reading the artical "Living with AEFWs" written by Richard Ross, also in the issue. I feel that his approach is my best option. Weekly or bi-weekly intervention is not too bad of an idea. Its definately easier than removing corals and dipping or risking up to 20% losses with levamisole. If noone want my corals I will fully understand. But, a small frag can easily QT'd ,dipped and inspected for AEFW's. The worms tend to live down in the crevises of large colonies and lay thier eggs down near the encrusted base. A fragged tip is actually pretty unlikey to have any AEFW's. They especially dont like the Bob Moore stag. AEFW's seem to be extremely partial to certain kinds of corals and cant stand others. They love all milles, and only one of my two bonzias for example. They have never infected any of my stags, torts, stylos, pocilloporas etc. Like I said, some day I may actually publish my findings in order to help educate more people in the hobby about them. I guess in the mean time Ill keep studying them in my tank.

Duane,
I try to read as many emails as I can. I am use to flying through emails at work. The bad thing is I usually miss stuff.
I just want you to know I do not have any harsh feelings against you for any reason. I am glad you are here and welcome the chance to always be your friend. That is the hard thing of emails. That is why I like putting the little face on here like this.

You just taught me something about millis too. I did not think AEFW liked Millis.
thanks for all you do,
Sincerely,
Ed

 

[Eickhorn]

I will gladly support this new way to help the hobby and members. If i may, i would like to suggest that the members with the most knowledge come up with a list of coral by "easy of care". Would you agree that this might help the new reef members? I think it might slow down the killing of sensitive and rare corls due to lake of knowledge.

Bob