Euthanasia -- Putting a Marine Fish Down

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It is a sad subject. I'm posting it on its own so that I and others may refer to it should the need arise.

THE NEED?

Pain:
Deciding when to put down your marine fish is not easy. The usual question is, "Is the fish in pain?" Researchers/Scientists are working on that question. So far, it seems that fish suffer significant discomfort and distress which we (humans) equate to pain.

I believe evidence will soon emerge which will cast doubt on the fisherman's sport of 'catch-and-release' causing no harm. It seems that information is emerging to indicate a fish feels pain.

If a fish hook in the mouth is painful, then injuries that can't be treated, broken bones, ripped flesh, etc. certainly is causing pain. A bloated fish from internal infection may be a grey area, but I think it belongs in the pain column.

No Cure/No Hope:
If the marine fish has a condition that can't be cured or won't cure and the fish is going to die from the condition, then putting the fish down would be reasonable. Making this decision isn't as straight forward and the aquarist would like it to be. Some thinking has to be done and a decision made. The point where there is little or no hope left is determined by the aquarist.

Best of Two Evils:
Probably the most controversial of all. The number of fishes I have handled over the decades in the hobby has sometimes led to a situation where the decision to put down a fish is based upon the greater good. Certain infections and conditions are so contagious and difficult to cure that I would not allow the fish to enter the QT or hospital treatment system because of the high degree of likelihood the disease will spread to healthy fishes. Such diseases include the bacteria of the Vibrio sp. and the Mycobacterium sp.. It also includes the conditions that appear to be fungal in nature, and yet not a true fungal infection.

Fishes are being caught throughout the world and transported for the hobby. To increase survival the collectors and exporters are using antibiotics very carelessly, allowing strains of Vibrio and Mycobacterium to be naturally selected that resist typical antibiotics. Letting such strains into the home aquarium would be devastation, to even healthy fishes. The best thing I can do to protect the healthy livestock is to not let them be contaminated with virulent strains of pathogens that can't be stopped with common antibiotics. Putting the carrier fish down is the best of two evils.

Quality of Life:
I've always appreciated this phrase. If the quality of life for the fish (and aquarist) isn't high up there, then let the fish slip into the next dimension. An example of this is a totally blind fish. It may require hand feeding and special attention and there is no doubt that such fishes are hard to let go, but a totally blind fish has a lot of stress heaped upon it. It can't only not see its food, but it can't see its enemies. The fish has other senses, but the aquarist should consider asking, "Is this a good quality of life for that fish?" Whatever happened to make that fish totally blind has caused that fish to die, in my opinion.

Resources v. Results:
I personally don't consider this a reason to put a fish down. But, I realize that there are people who look at the hobby in this perspective. I do not say they are wrong or right. It is just like this for many people. The fish takes on a 'commodity' shroud (turning into an appliance or furniture). Now that commodity is broken.

An inexpensive fish can require a hundred dollars of medication and care very easily. The care includes special equipment, water changes, and time. Medication(s) can be expensive antibiotics that may never be needed again except for this one case.

It is very important to only choose LFS fish for the display tank that are healthy and suitable for captive life, but sometimes this just doesn't happen. During quarantine the fish is found to be ill or injured. Can the fish be returned for credit? How much will it cost to help the fish? Will it fully recover or forever be disadvantaged in a community aquarium? Is putting the fish down the best option?



THE DEED

The veterinarian code is simple and straightforward when working with animals: Do no harm. Such is the same code when putting a fish down.

Anesthetics
All veterinarians that often handle fishes, put fish down by an overdose of anesthetic. They use MS-222 (Finquel) which is available in small quantities to the aquarist online. Instructions for different levels of 'sleep' is given on the container. Usually a double dose of the maximum recommended quantity will put the fish into a sleep it won't recover from.

Another choice is the use of Clove Oil (CO). This is more readily available and less expensive. It can be found in health food and vitamin stores (for humans). The fish is caught with as minimal trauma as possible (which isn't too hard since the fish is likely near death) and put into a gallon container with about 2 quarts of tank water. 15 drops of CO (or 0.7 ml) is added to 2 cups of tank water in a freezer (thicker) plastic bag. Shake like the dickens (e.g., Charles). The CO doesn't totally dissolve, but it dissipates (breaks up like an oil) and some goes into solution. Add the shaken mix to the tank water in the container with the fish.

The CO procedure can be performed without even moving the fish. If the fish is alone in a quarantine tank (QT) and has been going through a quarantine process, the fish can be euthanized while still in the QT. Just use the above ratio and perform the same process.

If the fish became ill in the display system, then remove some of the water from the system, catch and place the fish in that water then add the CO as indicated above.

The fish slowly goes to sleep in a couple of minutes. When breathing stops (the gill plate stops moving), wait another 15 minutes before disposing of the fish. Another 10 drops of CO (0.5 ml) can be added to another 2 cups of tank water and shaken, then added to the gallon container if the fish is not going to sleep fast enough.

Other Methods:
A large number of people are under the impression that freezing the fish is humane. It isn't. What happens first is that the fish can't properly take in oxygen. We might liken that to suffocation. As the temperature drops, the gills begin to freeze up (we might liken that to our lungs freezing). So as the fish gasps for air it cannot get, it dies in a cold, dark place. This is definitely not humane. Maybe the aquarist thinks it is okay, but it isn't, based upon what we know about fish.

Another group believes that a blow to the head will suffice. The fish is taken out of the water and then quickly struck. No matter how fast this is done, the fish is gasping for air, removed from its comfortable environment and then finally injured. This is not humane. Even though the blow to the head is relatively quick, the fish may be struggling in the net (or on the table/floor) and, while waiting even a few seconds for the blow, the fish is aware it is out of water and the fish panics, while the suffocation process starts.



SUMMARY

There is no doubt that captive wild marine fishes can and do live longer in captivity than in the wild. Unfortunately there are many opportunities for the system to cause harm to the fish that the aquarist cannot repair or correct. There are also conditions the well-meaning aquarist can't correct but which caused harm to the fish, or threatens the healthy fishes in the system. These fish may have been done an injustice, but it may not be in the fish's best interest to prolong its life.

Not an easy decision and not an easy task to perform. The aquarist needs to consider what is best for all concerned. No one can tell the aquarist when to give up on the fish, nor when to allow the fish to pass with dignity. There are no fish rights or laws to provide guidance on what is still often an emotional decision.
 
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Great topic and great opinions, I know we all have been in these shoes before and it is great to know of thos resources!

Matt
 
my husband just told me ....turn on the garbage disposal, then pour the fish in the garbage disposal, then finish it with some lemons so it doesn't stink the kitchen...it might sound cruel but it's the most humane way...ohh and you don't get to see guts and what not :p .


p.s. this does not work with a huge fish like an angel because then you gotta work it to get it into chunks .
 
my husband just told me ....turn on the garbage disposal, then pour the fish in the garbage disposal, then finish it with some lemons so it doesn't stink the kitchen...it might sound cruel but it's the most humane way...ohh and you don't get to see guts and what not :p .


p.s. this does not work with a huge fish like an angel because then you gotta work it to get it into chunks .

hardly humane..........:eek:
 
Is war humane?
What I mean is death is death and it always makes one sad.
 
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oh my gosh matt...I would actually think about eating them. If they died of natural causes...
I am going to be in trouble for this post I bet!
 
When collecting fish with cyanide was more or less the norm in The Philippines, the fish that died during collection (because of a cyanide overdose) were taken home to feed the family.

I find the comment, ". . .it might sound cruel, but it is the most humane way" intriguing.

Definitions:
Cruelty - indifferent to suffering (and even some pleasure inflicting it).
Humane - characterized by kindness, mercy, or compassion.

It doesn't seem the one word can be used to support the other.

Maybe it is the speed? How fast is humane? One second? A nanosecond? up to 10 seconds? Going back to a horrible time in human history, some people were gassed inefficiently so some were still alive when it came time to put their bodies into furnaces. It would have been more humane to do this quicker?

Maybe the point is that there are some procedures which are less cruel than others, but which procedures are actually humane, with zero cruelty?

Morals, ethics, philosophical perspectives, etc. about euthanasia procedures can be discussed on and on. . . :|

I'm glad the post has got you all thinking! :)
 
my lfs owner who is a coral collector collects fish in the phillipines with his mate and they dont cyanide posion infact he has a scopaz tang that is more solid brillant yellow then most yellow tangs
 
hardly humane..........

ya my husband can be a freak from time to time :lol:.....hmm may be that's why he does that part and i don't :p.

i really don't know what to say more than i like Lee's idea of putting the fish asleep.
so far i have lost

1 female clown ocellaris (who knows why she died ), i let her in the tank until her last breath :cry: (that was very hard on me ...she was my favorite )

1 6 line wrassse .....hmmm let's just say that my emerald crab and my cleaner shrimp got to it before i did :shock:

1 baby ocellaris .....my anemone had it as a snack :oops:

1 yellow tang.... that one only lasted 2 weeks :(..... then the husband took it out of his misery by smashing a hammer on the fish :eek:

i think that's about it and definetly it has always been sad :( and i believe it's always gonna be more sad for the human than for the fish.
 
I'll admit it, I ususally dont have much if any sympathy for the fish. Usually my first thought is the money that I spent on the fish. I will usually just wrap it in a paper towel and carry it out to the trash.
I guess I would feel differently if it were a whale or dolphin. FWIW dont try to flush larger fish. On top of the fish dying you have to deal with a plugged toilet.

Don
 
I feel that any fast euthanasia is fine. We are talking more ethics and religion here than science. A quick blow to the brain sends the creature to the next step. It is not for me to judge another's methods used for a quick dispatch. Hard enough to perform any of the methods discussed without passing judgment after the fact. Netting up a fish and placing it in a bag or a bucket/jar and putting foreign chemicals in the water is stressful. Whether more so than the net is subject to debate.

Death is not fun, whatever makes it fastest with the least pain to end the suffering the fastest can not be a bad thing...


"No Silicon Heaven?! Preposterous!...where would all the calculators go?"
 
my husband just told me ....turn on the garbage disposal, then pour the fish in the garbage disposal, then finish it with some lemons so it doesn't stink the kitchen...it might sound cruel but it's the most humane way...ohh and you don't get to see guts and what not :p .


p.s. this does not work with a huge fish like an angel because then you gotta work it to get it into chunks .

Gaby - I hope you were kidding? It sounds very cruel and inhumane, IMO. Would you euthanize a dog by tossing it in a wood chipper? I imagine not.

This topic could go on and on with debates on appropriate means of euthanization for fish. I appreciate Lee giving us the information on using clove oil.
 
Gaby - I hope you were kidding? It sounds very cruel and inhumane, IMO. Would you euthanize a dog by tossing it in a wood chipper? I imagine not

why do you think i don't let my husband touch the fish tank :shock::lol: ... he has never done that though (it'd be to much for me to watch AND the kids :eek:).
No Nikki i'd never toss a doggie in a wood chipper:eek:.... i'm an animal lover :) the husband was just being nosy when i was reading this article and told me to post that :rolleyes:.
One thing that i believe is in... asking your RF friends if there's anything you can do to save the fish before you think it's doomed ;)
 
one still has to say that fish that finnally make it in to our tanks more often then not end up having quiet a stress free life regular feeding no predetors when it comes the time for a fish to move on its the tank owners resposbility to take the action neccsery i ahev frozen fish, feed a blenny to a waratah anenome and that was probley not the nicest thing but its the circle of life and if one creatuer can use another as fuel then so be it

fish in tanks dont get it half as bad as catch and relese fishing batteling a fish to bring it up just to kiss it and throw it back for a shark whos felt the distress in the water and now get an easy meal from an exhuasted fish
 
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