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I'm planning a custom glass tank that will measure 76x28x28. The rear and sides will be standard glass, only the front panel will be viewable and will be starphire.

For several reasons I'd prefer to incorporate an external overflow hanging off the rear panel on the right side, rather than have the more common internal overflow. The external overflow would maximize real estate in the tank, improve accessibility for rmaintenance in my setup, and also simplifying plumbing. Tank is destined for an in-wall (niche) placement; the external overflow would protrude through an opening I will make in the back wall of the niche into an equipment closet behind it. Unfortunately the maximum width of this overflow, even if it is extended all the way to the edge of the rear pane, is only about 14" because the closet is shallow and oriented perpendicular to the tank, and there is some structural house framing behind the rest of the rear panel that I cannot remove.

Actual tank volume, based on internal dimensions, will be 224-240G depending on glass thickness. I'd like to get at least 3x tank volume as sump turnover, i.e. 750-800GPH, which will gravity feed a recirculating skimmer. Based on the overflow calculator on RC, 12" is the minimum acceptable width which I will barely get, but I assume this value from the calculator is for a standard overflow using teeth ? Rather than have the teeth, I would instead design a weir by reducing the height of the rear pane in front of the external overflow box. My hope is that, without the teeth, I will get the same surface skimming as a longer standard overflow.

The weir should be easy to incorporate since this tank will be built to spec. I do not want crossbraces, nor do I need a braceless setup since there will be a canopy over the tank. So my plan was to have eurobracing around the entire top. The gap between the eurobrace and the lowered top of the rear pane at the overflow would be small enough to keep fish and most other aquarium inhabitants from entering the overflow.

But... the eurobrace would not be in direct contact with the overflow section of the rear pane, because of its reduced height. Thus I am a bit concerned about stability of this portion of the rear pane and potential for bowing. Thinking about the design and function of a brace, it would seem that the bottom of the external overflow box, once secured in place with silicon, would act effectively as a brace itself. Is my thinking flawed ? As an added safety measure, I could also increase the thickness of the rear pane (build it as if it were to be braceless). I could also have it tempered.

Rest of the tank is fairly straightforward. Tempered 1/2" glass should suffice for the sides. The bottom will be either 3/4" glass or 1" SCH80 PVC with holes drilled for CL. For the front, I probably will overbuild and use 3/4" starphire though it isn't cheap. Not sure if it is worth using starphire for the eurobracing, I probably will if it isn't too much extra.

Any insights/suggestions/advice about the overflow setup or tank construction would be appreciated. I will try to post some diagrams since words only can be hard to follow.
 
Detri made his tank & Euro bracing all of glass, do a search under his name, I'll see if I can find it!

Welcome to RF looking forward to seeing your progress on your glass tank, I know a few members would love to see more details of glass tanks & external overflows.

Found it, look after the stand part where he builds the glass tank, I hope it helps!

http://www.reeffrontiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11337&page=2
 
Welcome to RF!!! Hope you enjoy it here:) Your setup sounds really thought out. Seems like you really spent some time designing it:) It would be cool to see a diagram of what you are planning. I think I have a mental image of what you are talking about, but not totally sure:oops: Good luck on the project and I'll follow along to see the progress and pics:)
 
After a lot of conceptualizing and planning I have finished the design. Here are the highlights as well as diagrams. If you'd like to see a higher resolution image, or want the .skb file to play around with in Sketchup, just PM me with your email address.

  • Dimensions 76"L x 28"W x 27"H
  • 1/2" glass walls with PPG starphire front
  • 3/4" single piece acrylic top perimeter brace
  • 1" Sch80 PVC bottom with seven drilled closed loop drain and return holes
  • CNC machined rear panel top edge to create weir with 64" linear overflow
  • 3/8" acrylic external "coast-to-coast" external overflow box with five drilled sump drain and return holes
  • 36" tall powder coated metal stand with plywood deck and leveling feet

Tank will be built by A.G.E. and is a "super hybrid" design using glass, acrylic, and PVC. I expect to formally place the order next week. Basically my design is a supersized 180 with external overflow, destined for in-wall installation. Custom millwork skin, crafted locally to match existing built-ins on the perpendicular wall, will be applied to the stand and also the canopy area above the tank.

Water movement will consist of:

  1. Sump circuit: three external Durso drains will come off the back of the external overflow box on the right side directly into the equipment closet. Three 2-3/8" holes will be drilled for Spears Sch80 1-1/4" bulkheads. Overflow will feed via gravity a Deltec recirculating protein skimmer with self cleaning head as well as an Eco Cooler. Return pump will be Reeflo Dart. A manifold after the pump will send two 1" returns to the tank, via Spears 1" Sch80 bulkheads in the floor of the external overflow and then to two Wavysea Plus+ units attached to the perimeter brace. A smaller limb off the manifold will direct water to various reactors. There will be valves to fine tune flow to each limb, and throttle back pump output as necessary (reducing heat and power consumption).
  2. Internal circuit: two Vortech propeller pumps, one on each side panel, with battery backup
  3. Closed loop #1: bottom drain with 2" Hayward Sch80 bulkhead into Reeflo Dart input, 1-1/2" pump output into Oceans Motions 4-way (1-1/2" input). Four 1" outputs return to tank bottom via Hayward Sch80 bulkheads. Two left and two right outputs will alternate; they will be positioned to create a reversing whirlpool-like flow pattern in the tank. PVC structures attached to the outputs will also be used to support the aquascape
  4. Closed loop #2: bottom drain wtih 2" Hayward Sch80 bulkhead into Reeflo Snapper input, 1-1/2" pump output to Tradewind IL-55 chiller located in a service room about 10' away, then returned to tank via 1-1/2" Hayward Sch80 bulkhead in center of bottom. Flow directed towards L and R front panel.

Lighting will be a Sfiligoi Infinity XR4 3x400w MH + 8x39w T5 (undecided on ACLS if I go this route) or the Gieseman Infiniti 3x250w MH + 4x80w T5. I plan on using about 300lbs of cured Pacific live rock, with three pillars away from the walls so the fish can swim all the way around the tank. There will be a good amount of exposed shallow sand bed, no more than 1", with particle size of 2-3mm.

More to follow soon :cool: Please let me know what you think!
 
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This is an awesome concept. I like it. :)

But... the eurobrace would not be in direct contact with the overflow section of the rear pane, because of its reduced height. Thus I am a bit concerned about stability of this portion of the rear pane and potential for bowing. Thinking about the design and function of a brace, it would seem that the bottom of the external overflow box, once secured in place with silicon, would act effectively as a brace itself. Is my thinking flawed ? As an added safety measure, I could also increase the thickness of the rear pane (build it as if it were to be braceless). I could also have it tempered.

Is the bottom of the overflow the same thickness as the eurobrace?
 

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