filter or sump for a custom 350

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darklcd

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hey all

I think that I have decided what I want to go with a custom 350 60w by 30d by 48h and I think that will do what I want it to I am just not sure about a filter and water and what not. If any one has any ideas or digrams please let me know
 
Well for a filter, your rock will do all the work. Usually people will go on 1-2lbs per gal to provide sufficient filtration and dentitrification. A good skimmer helps a lot as well. I'd go with a nice sump setup to work along with your live rock to house a skimmer and whatever other goodies you'd like to include (refugium section, a bag of carbon etc) and go from there...You should be good to go:)
 
With a tank 48" high, you will have a NIGHTMARE cleaning it! I'm just a "widdle-guy"... at 6'4" tall... and have the arm length to go with that, however... I would NEVER be able to clean a tank that deep!!! And... that doesn't even take into consideration the lighting requirements for that.
 
the only thing I am concerned with is the lighting the cleaning I will make do I am sure that I can come up with something that I can use. as for the lighting I am not sure what way to go with it I know it will be alot but I am more concerned with finding the right filtration for it and making sure that I can run it right
 
Lets start off with the basics & go from there. I'm guessing you want a full blown reef set-up, one that you can maintain rather easily without lots of constant work, well that is what I would want anyways:D Like mentioned, the Live Rock does the job to biological filtration, breaking down detritus to safer toxin levels. The more porous rock the better ability for it to keep more bacteria & thus process waste better, cycling as per say is a continuous thing, yes you go through the major cycles in the beginning but as the bio-load increases or decreases daily, so does the life & processes on the rocks. I mention this to help get a better understanding & the start of your filtration system, fish usually put the highest demand on it, so what you plan on keeping helps determine just how much filtration you will need & yes no two systems will be the same just similar in ways. I won't necessary go with the 1 or 2 pound rules with experienced reefers because as stated rocks can vary the surface area just by the type used. in the main display this is the main source of filtration, or the starting point, from there you need to farther process it usually the preferred method would be by the means of removal. You can go through the series of mechanical filters, sock filters or skimmers or maybe a combination of several of these. If you already looked at my tank you will see I have what is called a coast to coast, weir or trough. These or the common overflow all serve the same purpose just differently, some better than others, mine in particular skim the entire top surface bringing the water down to the sump to get processed. My system in particular, I will from time to time vacuum the water up top with a 3/4" clear hose & suck up as much detritus as I can before it ever becomes a problem, I'll run the other end of the hose down into the sump where it will drain into a 1 or 5 micron sock filter, believe me In no time you will not believe how fast they stop up from junk! This is considered part of my husbandry, I do it every so ofter as I see fit for the tank. When I don't do this, the water falls into the multi chambered sump, it is designed in a way to prevent micro-bubbles from ever entering the suction of the main return pump & display. I learned from Tom (BigT) that unlike most sumps, the final chambers are in the way like the first divider, water is forced down then up & over then down again & finally up & over, I sorta did mine differently leaving off the last stage but 4 separators are the real design. On the side of the sump where water enters from the top, Is a small chamber I made that I can actually slide a sock filter there also, so while cleaning up top it traps everything, I never leave the sock filters overnight, they get cleaned that day & air dried. The next step is where I plan on locating the skimmer, this IMO requires lots of thought & planning, I believe in a really good skimmer & efficient enough to well cover your tank in worse case of a bio-load, this should throughly be researched & studied before buying or DIY one. I sorta went backward on the chambers part, that would be the last step before getting returned. Other equipment after all this would be a fluidized phosphate reactor, carbon filtration, Ozone maybe, the list can go on & each should be studies before starting Or trying to use them. Filtration can go on & on, everyone has some neat tricks, automation to make life easier ETC. this is a brief summery. Lots of things to consider, like water top off, calcium supplementing dealing with algae, disease, setting up a QT tank but today I wanted to try & give you some filtration ideas of a verity, sorta used my tank in process as an example.
Hope this helps, we have lots of tanks in the members showcase forum to look at.
 
well no I am very confused lol

I have people telling me that 48" is on sometimes and not others and I have seen tanks that are 60" high so I don't know what to do. when it comes to the sump I have an idea of how they work I am just not sure how to design one and I would love a drawing of one to see how they are done and what I can to with mine. I am also thinking of changin my tank size again lol. I like the thought of a taller tank but I am kind of getting turned off of the idea. so I was thinking of going 48" deep and 30 or 36" high and I think that will be ok. I will just have to get it a little longer thats all. what do you guys think and please if you have a digram of a sump please post it or send it

thanks
 
Typical tanks of this size we don't see many that are that deep It was mentioned as to let you know that it takes more work keeping up a tank that deep but they can be beautiful, I have to find you that tall tanks Lairian has, it is like a Half cylinder, very tall. I would think he has cleaning methods & ways of getting down there, but he also has a surge system so It is by design made easier to keep up. If you have the room I'm go 6ft. even numbers because you can make the best use of your lighting this way, thinking a 2ft x 2ft area will be covered with mh lighting. Also the length, poses more surface area for gas exchanges & last It gives fish more swim room. Now again with that all said, you can do some nice things with a deep tank, no doubt. I'll see If I can get you some sump designs.

These are nice!
http://www.melevsreef.com/allmysumps.html
 
That is way too high and you will regret it down the road. To me 36" is max and that will even be difficult. My tank is 32" and that is the most I will ever go. Even at that, it is sometimes hard to deal with given it is also 36" wide.

Here is my sump on the new 350 I am setting up.

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Water flows from the tank overflows into a chamber that will have the skimmer in it. I like for this chamber to be as large as possible. It then flows through a series of baffles to remove any micro bubbles and then through a media tray and to the return pump. This sump is 22"x22"x42" due to the limitations of the Corner Pentagon I am setting up and was custom made by Reefmania.

The sump on my existing 450 is much larger, 60"x30"x22" and is designed essentially the same, except that is has another larger chamber just before the media tray above the pumps.

If you have the room, I would definitely go with a 36" wide tank, or 48" for that matter. Depending on your set-up, the Lumenarc III reflectors would work great. The footprint on my 450 is 96"x36" and I cover it with four 400 watt bulbs in Lumenarc III reflectors. I used to have eight 250's in RO III pendants, but switched once the LA III's became available again. Cut down on electricity and haven't noticed any real difference. The LA III with a 400 watt bulb can handle the 36" width, but with 48", you would be better off with pendants probably.

Anyway, good luck with it. Make sure and get a good skimmer.
 

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