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umm ya, upon further research i concluded fireworms and bristleworms are indistiguishable from each other, i think they may be the same things... another hitchhiker... shoot, who knows how long he's been in there or how many there are.... ggggggaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuhhhhhhhhhh he's going to the toliet
 
hmmm i found this
here's the page
http://www.littlefishtank.com/reference/fish/display.asp?idkey=43
Fireworms are a nuisance in the home aquarium. They will eat your coral down to the base. The furry looking "bristles" are what give these worms the Fireworm name. These contain a venom that will break off in the skin of anything it touches and cause an intense burning sensation. Typically they are introduced by accident and are typically only removed by trapping them or destroying them in the tank and removing the pieces which is tough to do as well.
here is what it most looks like from what i've found on the web, i actually haven't gotten around to tossing it yet, it's sitting in a betta jar right next to my comp
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I have some huge fire worms in my 20 nano that came with the rock I added. I've seen a few of them 6"+. Is there any easy way to get rid of them? I've tried to snag them with tweasers but they are strong little buggers and always pull themselves back into the rock. I've heard something about putting a piece of shrimp in nylon hose and they will get tangled and stuck though I haven't tried it. And I will contest touching them hurts and isn't recommended :)
 
6" stretched out or stationary? Are you sure it's not a <<Eunicid>>

The nylon trap will work but I would not encourage it's use on a regular basis. Your "collateral damage" could end up being significant although the worms themselves will repopulate fairly quickly. Keep in mind that most common bristleworms will be beneficial and populations easily controlled through limiting the amount of foods introduced. If the worm is not causing damage other than being unsightly, you may want to just leave it be.

Can you post a clear focused pic?

Cheers
Steve
 
It's a picture though not especially clear or focused. This is the best shot that I've taken in the day time when they generally aren't out. I'll try to spot one with a flashlight and then snag a pic with the flash on. And when I say 6", I would say stretched out across the sand, though it could have been longer as some of the body was still in the rock. This particular picture was just a tiny piece sticking from under a rock.
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I would definately keep an eye on this one. At first glance it would appear to be a type of bearded fireworm and commonly up to no good and little benefit (if any) to keep. Happy hunting :p

Cheers
Steve
 
Blazer - I'd love to see a better shot. If you ever catch it, take its picture in a separate vessel...but mind your fingers ;) :).

As stated, bristleworm populations are often an indication of an excessive food source. From the article Steve linked above:

Fireworms are great scavengers, and even the bigger species are occasionally seen prowling around during the day, particularly after food has been added to the tank.

Now, Dr. Ron also points out a specific species of Fireworm from the Caribbean that is not very desirable. You can have a peek at the article for the photo:

In contrast to the other large beneficial fireworms found in our tanks, one species decidedly presents problems for a reef aquarium. This species, Hermodice carunculata, is a fireworm species commonly found in the Caribbean, although other species in the same genus are found throughout the tropics. It is the only potential "problem" fireworm in aquaria because it eats stony corals and gorgonians in its natural habitat, but may also prey on Indo-Pacific soft corals in the aquarium. As with all fireworms, this species has no jaws to bite off chunks of food, rather it must lick them to death. As the worm lacks the jaws to sever the pieces of its prey, feeding in Hermodice is a prolonged process. When they feed, Hermodice individuals typically swallow the ends of a gorgonian or soft coral and then proceed to lick the flesh off of it, while the ends are still attached to the colony. Such feeding is a lengthy process; it takes hours. During this period the worm really isn't going to go anywhere, it is tethered to its dinner. This species is also an obligate predator of these prey, although it may scavenge a bit, it will not, - in fact, it cannot, - eat other prey. If you have a Hermodice in your tank, you will either eventually find it on a prey organism munching away or see it crawling across the substrate. Remove it with a pair of forceps, tweezers, or tongs, and dispose of it.
 
I'll try to get a better pic of it. I did get the one pictured out of the tank by removing the rock he was in and putting it into some hot water and fishing him out with tweasers, though I didn't think to get a pic of him. I know I have another large one living in the rock that my Hi Fin Gobies live under, I haven't removed it yet since I don't want to disturbed the gobies as I just added 'em. Sorry MarineTeng, I didn't mean to hijack your thread :)
 
When we got our live rock from another tank..we spent 2.5 hrs doing nothing but bristleworm hunting..and still missed a bit!! The lil buggers are stubborn..and one bigger one recently stung the hubby when he moved a rock in the sump..pretty ugly welt left on his hand too!

Our way to get them out was to "dip" the rock in freshwater for about a min..they tend to fall out of the rock into a bucket...We pulled out at least 200 worms that day...man are they icky!! Also we have/had a fish who loved em to bits...a Valentini Puffer..you'd have thought he went to the best buffet in the world!! HE got soo round lol..was funny...except all the baby brittle stars he ate too :(

Good luck on the ousting!!...and a good pair of tweezers and gloves are your friend :)
 
I would not go about removing the bristleworms, they really are beneficial. Even if you never see them they are there in both the rock and substrate so your are fighting a losing battle. You are much better off controlling their numbers though limiting food supply (without affecting other inhabitants ie, target feeding) than trying to remove them. They can literally repopulate in a matter of weeks.

Cheers
Steve
 
I am only feeding my Gobies with an eye dropper which leaves no "extra" food floating around. Whatever my giant worms are eating should hopefully be gone soon ....and hopefully they will follow. Thanks for everyone's help.
 
I am only feeding my Gobies with an eye dropper which leaves no "extra" food floating around. Whatever my giant worms are eating should hopefully be gone soon ....and hopefully they will follow. Thanks for everyone's help.
dood you're lucky.
I feed tons and tons of food now, i was fine at first but i got a sun coral which it was like adding more than a fish to the tank, from flakes and frozen formula i went to tons and tons of frozen cyclo peeze and munch and sometimes no joke if i turn off all my lights around the apartment.. right after i dumped a little bit of food into my sun coral you can see my fire worm trying to get into the little feeding bottle thing i made for my coral and the fire worm is not a little one.. it's a monster, i have just been lazy to catch him heeh :p.
 

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