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jlehigh

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Hey, I am hoping someone can help me out...

I have two Salifert CA test kits (lost one then found it ;) ) My test/water solution is turning blue once only half of a ml is dripped in.. I have retested using both kits probalby 5 times now and it happens every single time...

Anyone know what could be up? (all things are well and growing in the tank)
 
Maybe its correct. Off the top of my gord I think 1ml = ca of 500 I guess you could have dropped to about 250. How many drops of #2 are you using?

Don
 
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"once only half of a ml is dripped in"

Let me re-phrase. Once only half the syringe is dripped in. Usually the ppm scale starts a 1ml. I am not even getting to that.

Until my tests started looking funny I was staying between 390 and 480 (Had a CA spike when I did a water change with Oceanic)

ummmm I think the instructions call for 8 drops of #2..??
 
I guess I'm not following you. The long skinny syringe is 1ml of ca-3. At full resolution 8 drops of #2 emptying the syringe is either 500 or 550 some thing like that. Half would be around 250.

Don
 
don when I was talking to him about this the other day it seemed as if his test were showing that the ca didn't even register on the low end. Before he was the opposite at 500+. Where is habib from salifert. We need to get him at reeffrontiers.
 
I had run out of ca test and went to the lfs last week. the first time they tested my water it read 0. I believe it was a reef sea test kit. they tried again same result. they then opened a new box of reef sea pro ca test kit and it read off of the charts. they did that twice with the same result. they then used a salifert test kit and it read around 400. when i first got to the lfs my water was in a tupperware in the car under the heater vent and the water seemed a little warm. woiuld this give the eratic effects of the tests?
 
Okay ran more tests... Results: USER ERROR!!!!!

AKA: Jlehigh is a jackarse :) My calcium levels were always so high in the past I was treating the final 10th of a ml as my testing range...

So the good news is: My test kits are good
The bad news is: My clacium level is down to 330
More bad news is: I need a new brain...
 
Hey, where can one get a new brain these days? The livestock forum? :)

I used that brand of salt and had a really high Ca level, thought my test kit was bunk and emailed the test kit company, they told me I was probably doing it wrong so I got 2 more test kits by another manufacturer and got the same high results. I emailed the salt manufacturer and they said all 3 test kits were bad... that salt was over 630 when newly made to 1.023 and still sitting in the bucket... which is probably 1.026 as I since found out that my cheapo plastic salinity meter is wrong as well. Note to self: buy proper refractometer.

So I stopped using the salt, too scary. Apparently different buckets have different results. A lot of people don't believe me, they really like that brand and also suspect bad testing by yours truly, but it was dirt cheap from the wholesaler and now I think I know why. Since it was so cheap me and another guy at the LFS took home a big ol stockpile at $20 a bucket and the shop still made a profit, that's how cheap it was. He lost all his livestock, I just had to do a lot of tests and water changes. He tested only with Mardel 5 in 1 test strips!

See, if you did not have a brain you would not test at all, and you certainly wouldn't use high quality tests like salifert! You probably are not drinking enough coffee before testing. Coffee level in blood should be at 3.5 Meq/L before any analysis of data or operation of heavy machinery, I read it on another board. I got a trusty caffeine refractometer off Ebay to make sure I am doing it right, found I need to use more espresso in a drip as it was precipitating out.

Top o' th mornin to ya all!
Kate
 
Well you are in Olympia! There should be plenty laying around the capitol building not in use.. Ahhhh okay that was a low one but I couldn't resist..

That's IT!!! How could I have overlooked my blood/coffee levels!!??... gosh sometimes ya just gotta step back and look at the bigger picture otherwise you overlook the biggest important factors starring you in the face ;)

THERE'S 5 in 1 tests!! I gotta have it! ;)

You know Oceanic sent my calcium levels well over 500 when I performed only a 30gal water change in a 300 gal system!! I also ended up with Cyno which is now burning off. I would normally blame my nutrient levels and reefkeeping habits but I know many others share identical synptoms..

Off to throw back a few tripple shots..
 
Wanted to jump in here, jlehigh, I have also discovered very bad results with the Oceanic. I have brown Cyno, and some Hair because of two water changes done on my 90 gallon in the last month. Tank was beautiful prior to that, I was wondering how long the bloom of Cyno lasted in your tank, and was there anything you did to combat it?

Thanks

Ken
 
Kensen, It has taken about 5 weeks and I still have a 3-4" tonga branch rock with it, but all other algaes including a small hair algae boom is gone now..

Dang! I've been missn that brain cell growing Thai of yours. The wife and I will have to drop by for a weekend lunch soon. Almost became a tradition there for a while :)

Lehigh Sunday routine: Church at 9 --> Dog Park at 11 --> Dangs at 12:30... Definately a day to look forward to!
 
Hey, I want ultra hot thai food!

I don't know if you can blame the oceanic salt for cyano and hair algae, sometimes I think they are just some of the flora that pass through a cycling system (and you can have a cycle repeat if the system is messed with in some major way like med use). I think some foods promote algae, the juice from frozen or uneaten flake if you use that. Debris in the tank helps too.

I have seen other problems with cyano, like it popped up after a year in a system and then went away when phosphate was cut by doing a few large water changes, carbon, cutting the feeding and using R/O water. Guess I did siphon out the largest bits.

I have taken rocks from other peoples' cycled tanks and put them in mine, those rocks suddenly sprout hair algae like crazy when neither system had it previously. They came out of low flow tanks and there was a lot of sediment on the rock for the algae to eat which I should have blown off with a powerhead but instead placed in a low flow area, and algae traps more sediment which they utilize... Using a lot of flow to keep the debris moving toward the filter will help starve both cyano and hair algae. Allegedly. That's what the experts say and it has been my experience, but then I have had both just disappear in very low flow tanks for no reason at all with no effort on my part.

What I wonder is if the Ca is way out of whack then what is precipitating out and what is it bonding to on the way, if that could form a sediment to feed the algae then you could explain high Ca causing algae. Sounds like a question for another forum. Seems like whenever one thing is high another is low and then you have problems.

Praise the coffee and pass the thai food :)
Kate
 
Kate,

Thank you for your input. I agree that are many determining factors that could lead to the algae breakout. I do however find it a little more than coincidence that it happened right after using Oceanic salt, and that many others have reported the exact situation. I also blame myself :oops: for not doing the research on this salt before using it. I also believe that the high ca content of this salt may throw a tank out of balance, which I do not think any salt should do. I have done extensive searching and reading on this problem and have came to the conclusion that the salt did it its own little way fuel this fire. In any case I am going back to my tried and true salt mix that I have always used. And if you know anyone that wants an unopened 200 gallon bucket of Oceanic salt cheap send them my way.

Off to go make a pot of coffee, I tested and my test kit only showed 1.8 Meq/L, harmfully low.

PS Kate really admire your web site.

PSS All this talk about Thai food is really making me hungry
 
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Hi,
Thanks for the compliments, the site could be called a work in progress if only I would work on it more often :)

I think the high Ca/algae thing is a chicken or the egg thing. Either way the high Ca is bad and the brand of salt is not reliable. I am glad that you didn't loose all your stock like my friend! I wish there was more accountability in this industry overall. Not that I want bigger government, I just UL listings on items going into or hanging over water that plug into my wall. Is that too much to ask? :) Who unplugs everything before they put their hands into the tank? Or wears gloves?

Kate
 
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