Green Hair Algae Consuming my star polyps!

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cavyroo

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My 36 gal salt tank. I have had a problem now for about 4mths with the damn green hair algae. I am using RO water..phos pad and pillow..And I can not beat it!

I have a pincushion urchin in there ..yellow tang,...sailfin blenny..and some crabs. I know I need more crabs...

The hair algae..Is consuming my polyps..I cant get the hair off..I pick as much as I can off..Its driving me NUTZ.

I feed once a day..just a bit...I soak food in cold water..and dispurse to tank..and not alot..for I dont need ANY extra nutrients in there!

I add calcium, strontium, iodine about every 3-4days..and essential elements once a week. I do a 15%change once a week..I have new bulbs..the tank is 2yrs old.

I may be moving it soon..and i will total recure the rock to get rid of this..BUT what do I do about the hair algae on my polyps? AHHH
Help!


Thanks
 
OH.
And my info
Nitrate 0
Nitrite 0
Ammonia 0
PH 8.2
Salinity 1.024

(will get a phos reading here asap...but still i will need more help to get it lower...AHH)
The lights..
actinic comes on at 830am
day lights 10am.
day lights OFF at 5pm.
Actinics off at 6pm.

They are coralife compacts.

How BAD would it be to leave the lights off for a while?? Would that help and for how long?
 
cavyroo said:
strontium, iodine about every 3-4days..and essential elements once a week.
This is fuel for the fire and you should consider not using them. With a pre existing problem, additives of this nature will only add to the available nutrient macro algaes need to grow, especially the iodine. Water changes are your best means of control for trace elements.

Your lighting will only be a concern if the bulbs are not being changed every 10-12 months based on how long you run them. The length of time run will not really impact the life of the algae so much as the growth rate. The longer the lights are on the more it can grow but even if only on a few hours a day it will still get enough to sustain itself. I run mine for close to 12-14 hours a day.

Added nutrient is still the main concern as can be what's bound up in the rock and substrate. Keep in mind that even with P removing products (resins/pads), they can only help with inorganic forms of P. The organic forms bound up in bacteria and such must be released first before they can be removed in that fashion. Skimming is the only thing that can help with organic forms of P but again, it's not going to happen quickly.

You mention using RO water but does it have a DI attachment? RO alone will not remove P and certain other elements. Only the DI stage can do that. What is your TDS reading?

Best thing is a long term attack, short term solutions will only yield short term results. Large regular weekly or 2x weekly water changes, heavy skimming, using the P removers won't hurt any, using foods that are low in P like home made blender mush and frozen preparations. Steer clear of freeze dried, flake and pellet for the most part. If using Nori, switch alternately with frozen broccoli as Nori is absolutely lousy with P. Pre soaking foods and draining them before had to remove the P also helps. Throughout this though, be sure the foods remain as nutritious and use vitamins where possible.

Animal control is usually hit and miss. Best urchin species for this is Diadema's (long spine), I have had decent success with Mespilia globulus as well. Fish, nudi's and crabs are usually not that effective, especially where the algae has grown too long. It will often just get ignored. Manual removal is key in beating this along with nutrient contro, and proper water flow. When you pull it out, siphon along at the same time so as not to spread it further. Take note while doing this how much debris is trapped within the algae especially close to the rock, you'll most likely see a decent amount. This is where the algae will get a good amount of it's nutrient from. In keeping it short, you also prevent it from accumulating needed nutrient. It also allows the animals specifically added to do a much better job.

How's the chemistry of the water? Alk, pH & Ca?

For the polyps, get a new soft bristled tooth brush and ever so gentley remove the algae. Not all at once, just a bit at a time and use even light pressure. You basically just want to pull the algae through the bristles so it tears free, not actually rub the polyps. Use a Turkey baster or reposition/add more water flow to prevent detritus accumulation and help starve the algae of needed food sources.

Cheers
Steve
 
Another thing to check is your tank temperature. I had an issue with hair algae and it turned out my digital temp probe was out of calibration and the tank was running at 82 degrees, speeding up the growth. Once I corrected that the algae immediately started to die back.

Steve is right though. Stop dosing trace elements at least until you get the algae under control. If you are going to dose those elements get a good test kit for each element you plan to dose and test for it first to determine your needs.
 
You don't say anything about your filtration setup and if you are using a skimmer???? I agree above with quit adding Iodine and strodium.
 
Your lighting scheme seem less than optimal for corals, should be on the order of 12 hours a day. By having inadequate light for your corals you put them at a competetive disadvantage with the algae which have a lower light requirement. I am not sure higher temp would be a factor, my tank runs at 84 with no algae problem.
 
I think the issue is not the growth of the corals but that of the algae. Corals well never outgrow an out of control algae situation. If anything with algae out of control You need to shorten light cycle, but that still does not address the problem causing the algae.

Reefless Boy IMO you are running right on the edge for temp with no room for error. Things start dying at 86 deg.
 
high temps do contribute driectly to many nuisance algae species' growth... and your temp is rather too high in general for safe-running long-term. Closer to 78 than 82 would be better IMO

Crabs are the last thing you need... beyond treating the symptom (algae) and not the problem (adequate nutrient export to exceed the net nutrient import), crabs are also categorically unsafe in reef aquaria long-term. They are opportunistic scavenegers. Guess what happens when the algae goes away? ;)

Focus on finding your source of nutrients... than you can export them.
 
There are differences of opinion on the optimal reef aquarium temperature, I would like to point out that there are others who advocate a more "natural" temperature of 82-84F. See Shimek http://web.archive.org/web/20030218193420/www.animalnetwork.com/fish2/aqfm/1997/nov/features/1/default.asp[/URL]
 
There are very few who advocate that high of a temp. I have not seen the article you are talking about and there are verying opions on the views of Ron Shimek. If you want to run that temp. that is your option, no one is saying you can't, but be aware that you have no error for anything going wrong with heaters or such. There are probably certain corals that well do better in that temp., is it neccessary?, I doubt it. I would rather have a wider margin for something going wrong. I mean no offense, just giving food for thought.
 
Reefless,

I have seen the article and while it does make sense in terms of wild population in the ocean, I ask you what advantage does this offer us in terms of captive care? What benefit is there to this line of reasoning and how does it improve the husbandry of our glass tanks?

On an aside, I think I'm getting older than I thought. Where did cavyroo actual indicate a temp?

Cheers
Steve
 
John, thanks I got that but I was actually refering to Anthony's post. I thought I'd missed something somewhere...:confused:
and your temp is rather too high in general for safe-running long-term.

I fully concure with higher temps being a concern and should be kept at more moderate conditions. I had just thought I missed the actual number somewhere. No worries...:)

Cheers
Steve
 
i would quit using additives such as those.. i had the same prob a few years ago..lots of hair algae....regular water changes should replentish most everything ...i just add calcium "purple up". no more algae probs
 
Thank you all for your thoughts and ideas. I will stop adding the additives to my tank...just the calcium and see what that does..along with water change.

And yes..of course I do have a skimmer..Bak Pak that works rather well..and I have a hang on back filter on this 36. That is all I have used for the last 2 yrs and it has been super till this algae spike.
My temp?
Is 79degrees. I dont think that is high at all.
 

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