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fishman

Fishman
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Hey, I have a very small Xenia and leather coral growing in my tank. It came on the live rock. My Xenia grew quickly at first now it just cliches it's little fists. The leather coral will barely pop its polyps out. My Clam, BTA, and SPSs are all fine. Two things happened about the time they started acting weird. My pump on my skimmer burned up (crappy RIO) and I added two 36" actinic VHOs. I have 2-10,000 K 175w metal halides as my main lighting. Ammonia and Nitrate test zero.(cheapo tests) I add Iodine weekly and Limewater daily. PH is 8.2. O Yah the skimmer was down about 5 days. It's been working for about 5 days since.
 
Fishman,
I am not sure what your Alkalinity is or your calcium or your salinity. If ever in doubt do a 20% water change with filtered water the same temperature and salinity as in the tank. Too hot of temperature will often make Xenia close, sarcrypton stress. Toad Stools are notorius for releasing toxins that stunt growth of SPS and LPS. It may feel threatened by SPS or LPS. You could even do a organics test. But I think the cheapest safest thing to do is a water change. If you run a mixed reef you may want to use charcoal also. I hope this helps.
 
Good advice I'll run some charcoal tonight and do a water change tomorrow.

Alk is 4 meq/L
Cl was 400
Temp 77 F or 25 C
salinity 35

Oh, I just thought of somthing. There is an SPS of some sort growing next to it. Very small (maybe 5 total polyps) and natural to the LR. What are the chances of a soft and SPS growing naturally that close together.
 
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I like my alk 2.8-3.5 meg/L . That is what I was taught. If your Alkalinity is too high your calcium percipitates too fast. I hope this helps ya Buddy.
 
as Ed investigated... problems with (esp too low) pH and ALK are key with Xeniids.

The change in light may have had some effect here (gradual acclimation to new lights or were they thrown on/shocked)?

But if the corals are simlpy too close to each other (all need 6-10" minimum just for a 12-18 month buffer), then that is likely an issue. Xenia is very weakly aggressive and suffers against most neighboring/encroaching corals.

Anthony
 
Also, consider the new lights... they do tend to act like these when new lights are detected
 
I think the leather coral is due to the lighting and maybe some annoying snails. Will the leather coral acclimate or should I try to shield the light. I didn't expect some VHOs to have much affect when the corals did fine with MHs.

I don't think the Xenia has a chance against the SPS. I was hoping it would outgrow and block out the light. O'well I'll just buy a frag. Here is a picture of the SPS and Xenia. Anyone venture a guess on the Type of SPS? It's two small I can't tell.

http://www.reeffrontiers.com/photos_members/showphoto.php?photo=1480&sort=1&cat=500&page=1

The SPS is horizonally centered and slightly to the Left. The very unhappy Xenia is centered at the bottom.
 
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I agree with Jason...

what ever you put in your tank... test it first... whether it is calcium, alk, magnesium, etc.etc. if you dont know the values... then dont add anything...

just my two cents...
 
I Add DTs to my system and I don't test for concentrations. I add fish food to my system and I don't test for it. I observe the growth and and happiness of my fish and clams. When I add Iodine I see increased growth. I added Iodine for 3 months and saw no ill effects. Iodine is consumed by corals and removed by skimming and essential to the health and growth of corals (or at least that is what I have read). I think not adding it would be worse

Don't take this the wrong way I AGREE testing is important and Iodine could be to high in my tank (more likely that it's to low). At the same time I think observation of one variable or change at a time is very effective. I planed to buy an iodine tester so I could add iodine more aggressively to my system but other things came up like a protein skimmer pump.
 
Please don't take it the wrong way. I appreciate the advice :) and I agree I would be much better off testing than not testing. I just don't known that I would be better off not adding at all, as long as it is observed and added in moderation.
 
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I will jump in on the iodine idea. I added 1 drop of iodine to a 20 gal once every 2 weeks. Within the hour the mushrooms would be at their biggest and most impressive and my xenia would be closed and stay that way for at least a couple of days. This was not an one time thing but as regular as clockwork when I dosed iodine. I did not change my habit because I wanted to support the mushrooms in this smaller tank but I believe that on the schedule you are on your xenia has no time to recover and breath. I would decide which is more important the mushroom or the xenia and use the iodine accordingly.
 
I will check it out. My Xenia looks happier today than it has and it's been 4 days since I dosed Iodine. I've always heard/read that Xenia like Iodine?
 
In regards to Iodine supplementation, here are a few articles:

A Dab of Iodine...

Iodine in Marine Aquaria - Part 1 - Lots of good info here, I like the way Randy Holmes-Farley put this article together. I'll give you a sample of what is discussed.
Surely, you say, there must be studies showing that Xenia and other soft corals need iodine from the water column? Well, I could find none. There may be studies that I could not find, and regardless of whether there are studies, iodine in the water column may or may not have a significant impact on these organisms. Nevertheless, there is no published basis (that I could find) for many of the claims about iodine.

There are studies that show that Xenia does contain substantial iodine, and it is likely that it got it from the water column, but what good, if any, that iodine serves is unknown. In a recent publication, Ron Shimek showed that a wild specimen of Xenia sp. contained 350 ppm iodine on a wet basis and a captive specimen showed 270 ppm on a wet basis and 1350 ppm on a dry basis. Those values are as high as some of the macroalgae, and lend some support to the idea that Xenia accumulate iodine (and presumably have a use for it at such high accumulations).

Of course, accumulating iodine from the tank somehow, and showing that supplemental inorganic iodine is beneficial are very different. I am in the planning stages of running experiments on the possible benefits of iodine supplementation to certain soft corals, but the technical challenges are significant (much more so than similar tests on macroalgae), and I’m not certain that they will be successful.

Iodine in Reef Aquaria - Part 2 - The second part of RHF's Article.

Adding Iodine to the Reef Tank
 

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