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So I am switching from a 50 gallong to my custom built 45. For years now I have been constantly plucking weeds (some sort of green plant) from my live rock. I am tired of it being in my tank. I was thinking of taking the rocks out and breaking off the corals and parts that have serious weed growth and putting the corals in a quarantine tank and leaving the live rock out for a couple weeks. Idea is to kill off everything on the rocks to get rid of the weeds completely. Will this work? Is it ok to introduce the live rock that has been dried out into an aqaurium?

What are your thoughts?
 
The *green weed* could be a good macro algae or it could be a bad algae like hair algae. If it's good, leave it alone. If it's bad, then it's most likely caused from a nutrient problem like too much PO4. Got a Pic?
 
Well even a "good" macro algae is not always welcome in the display tank.

If you dry out your live rock it will no longer be live. What you will have is base rock, but you could re-seed with some liverock.

Another option would be to put it in the dark in a tub of saltwater with some circulation and try to starve the algae of light while keeping some of the good stuff alive.
 
Well even a "good" macro algae is not always welcome in the display tank.

If you dry out your live rock it will no longer be live. What you will have is base rock, but you could re-seed with some liverock.

Another option would be to put it in the dark in a tub of saltwater with some circulation and try to starve the algae of light while keeping some of the good stuff alive.

I agree that not all macro algae is welcome in the display tank. That's why I requested a pic. However, If the problem is caused from high nutrients, drying it out wont solve the problem. You would need to *cook* the rock.
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SeanT's (from reef central) guide to cooking rock:

quote:Originally posted by SeanT
The purpose of "cooking" your rocks is to have the bacteria consume all (or as much) organic material and PO4 stored on, and in, the rock as possible.

The first step to this is commitment.
You have to be willing to remove your rock from the tank.
It doesn't have to be all at once, but I feel if you are going to do this do it all. In stages if that is easier but make sure that all of it gets done.

The new environment you are creating for your rock is to take it from an algal driven to a bacterial driven system.
In order to do this, the rock needs to be in total darkness to retard and eventually kill the algae's on the rock and to give the bacteria time to do the job.

So basically you need tubs to hold the rock.

Equipment needed.
1. Dedication.
2. Tubs to cook rock in. And an equal amount of tubs to hold the rock during waterchanges.
3. A few powerheads.
4. Plenty of buckets.
5. A smug feeling of superiority that you are taking it to "the next level."
6. Saltwater, enough made up to follow the instructions below and to replenish your tank after removing rocks.
Here are the steps:

1. Get into your head and accept the fact you will be making lots of salt water if you aren't lucky enough to have access to filtered NSW.
2. Explain to significant other what is going on so they don't flip out. This process can take up to 2 months. Prepare them in advance so he/she can mark it on the calendar and that they won't nag about it until that date arrives.
3. Setup a tub(s) where the rock is to be cooked. Garages are great for this.
4. Make up enough water to fill tub(s) about halfway and around 5-7 buckets about 60% full.
5. Remove all the rock you want to cook at this stage. (The rock can be removed piece by piece until you are done.) I suggest shutting off the circulation beforehand to minimize dust storms.
6. Take the first piece of rock and dunk it, swish it, very, very well in the first bucket. Then do it again in the 2nd bucket, then the third.
7. Place rock in the tub.
8. Repeat steps 6 & 7 to every piece of rock you want to cook at this time. The reason I suggested 5-7 buckets of water will be evident quickly...as the water quickly turns brown.
9. Place powerhead(s) in the tub and plug in. Position at least one powerhead so that it agitates the surface of the water pretty well. This is to keep the water oxygenated. You can use an air pump for additional oxygenation if you wish. Only one powerhead per tub is needed. Remember the powerheads main responsibility is the oxygenation of the water.
10. Cover the tub. Remember, we want TOTAL darkness.
11. Empty out buckets, restart circulation on main tank.
12. Wait.
13. During the first couple of weeks it is recommended to do a swishing and dunking of the rocks twice a week.
What this entails is to make up enough water to fill up those buckets and the tub the rock is in.
First, lay out your empty tub(s) and fill buckets the same as before.
Then, uncover tub with the rock in it. Take a rock and swish it in the tub it's in to knock any easy to get off junk.
Then, swish it thru the 3 buckets again, and place in the empty tub..
Repeat for all your rocks.
Then empty the tub that all the rocks were cooking in, take it outside and rinse it out with a hose.
Place tub back where it was, fill with new saltwater, add rocks and powerheads, and cover.
Wait again until the next water change.
You will be utterly amazed at how much sand, silt, detritus is at the bottom of the tub and every bucket. It is amazing.
At times the stench was so strong I gagged.

How it works:

Some FAQ's.
When re-introducing the rock to my tank, a month or two from now, should I do that in parts to help minimize any cycling effect(s)...if there are any?
I never have. Really after a very short while, the ammonium cycle has been established. That's not what you're worry about though, it's the stored phosphates and that you have to wait it out.
When they are producing very little detritus - you'll know - then I would use them all at once.

Would running Carbon filtration and/or a PO4 reducing media help/hurry/hinder the process?
I wouldn't fool with it. You don't want the detritus to sit there long enough to rot, release water soluble P again. You want to take it out while it's still locked up in that bacterial detritus.

I would say that 85% of my exposed rock had Bryopsis (hair algae) covering it.
There isn't a single visible strand on any rocks my tank now.
Remember, the key is patience. Let this process run its course.

And a few last minute tidbits I remembered.
Your coralline will die back, recede etc.
My thoughts on this are GREAT!
Now my rock is more porous for additional pods, mysids, worms etc.
Coralline will grow back.
Throughout this process the sponges, and pods on my rock have not died off.
Every time I do a water change they are there and plentiful.
 
This method will elimate spores.
1. remove rock
2. place in boiling water for ten minutes
3. let sit in fresh saltwater for ten days to two weeks
 
Another option would be to put it in the dark in a tub of saltwater with some circulation and try to starve the algae of light while keeping some of the good stuff alive.

Looks like you can just do as krisfal stated.
 
Do you have any fish or crabs in your tank that eat algae? If it isn't completely out of control a good algae eater may help keep it in check.
 
Bryopsis is fun.....NOT!!!

Many species of Bryopsis can be killed by larger than normal levels of Magnesium. However not all species in the Bryopsis genera will respond. There's really only one way to tell, increase your Magnesium. 1500 to 1600 seems to be the reported levels that have worked for most. Raising your pH a little higher has reported value too. 8.5 to 8.6 seems to be the reported levels that work there.

Herbivores aren't all that useful. The secondary metabolites (toxins) that Bryopsis algae exudes is as bad as the toxins in Caulerpa taxifolia and Caulerpa prolifera. (Just like Caulerpa sp., there are different levels of toxins within the different species of Bryopsis). I'm sure you've read how these two species are invading coral reefs combined because none of the normal herbivores will eat them. This doesn't really matter much anyway. Any herbivore you would find, unless it was a severely starved herbivore would merely spread the algae as it's major reproduction method is fragmentation. In other words, never pull this algae when it's in your tank. It will fragment and the fragments will land in other places and now you are accidentally spreading the nuisance algae. To make things even more fun, they can reproduce sexually and asexually too.

There are all sorts of ways to help kill off Bryopsis other than the pH and Magnesium manipulations I previously stated. You can cook the live rock like Rlugo29 stated, you can boil the live rock (ALWAYS OUTSIDE...NEVER INSIDE and always with RO/DI water), and you can throw the worst rocks out in the sun for a couple of weeks. If the rock is real loaded with phosphates, the only method that will remove those is the time consuming cooking method described by Rlugo29.
 

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