Lowering and cure the ich

[mohd]

We all know that one of the methods to cure ich is lowering saliliry, what's leval that the protozoa starts to effected ?

 

[mmkeeper]

this might help

Here's a thread for you to read, focus on Steve-s and Donnales.http://www.reeffrontiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14062

 

[steve-s]

Below 16 ppt

http://www.petsforum.com/personal/trevor-jones/hyposalinity.html

Cheers
Steve

 

[mohd]

Below 16 ppt

http://www.petsforum.com/personal/trevor-jones/hyposalinity.html

Cheers
Steve

Thank for your kindness, My display tank got infected with ich for 4 months after 6 pakistan butterfly were introduced. I start to treat the fish and tank with REEF SAFE products but seems thing get harder and harder. I have failed to keep Pakistan butterfly for 4 times, they would be suddenly appreared the white spots over the body within a few days and the body start to suppurated beneath their scales and heavy breathe at the surface and ending with sinking to the bottom with 12-24 hrs. I can believed that it as such a dangerious protrozoa can do with the host.

It's not a joking for lossing all of fish within 5 days also spend more and more for the medicine that claimes as Reef Safe or Ich cure which never do the good job in my tanks. In QT tanks, I low the level to 1.009 and speed up the life cycle of ich by increasing the temperature to 81-82 F but seems thing always too late. ( This mostly happened with Butterfly fish )

Then, What should I do with the new arrived fish in QT tanks and how long or at least timing for keeping them in the QT tanks, espcially, Butterfly species.

 

[steve-s]

Can you post what symptoms the fish have had other than easily visible spots?
What is your QT set up and water quality test results?
How where/are you acclimating them to the QT?
How was the hyposalinity being performed and where you closely monitoring pH?

You may actually not be dealing soley with C. irritans (ich). Butterflys can easily be infected with A. ocellatum (velvet) as well as internal worms/parasites along with the ich.

I think you may want to look into the possibility at least. If your fish are dying that quickly (5 days or less), C. irritans will not usually be the direct cause. I would suggest you forgo the hyposalinity therapy and switch to a copper remedy. If Cupramine (by Seachem) is available to you get that for sure. At the very least be sure it's a chelated brand. Do not use an ionic copper salt, it will most likely kill them justy as quickly.

Also check with your local fish store/supplier to see if they carry medicated foods. I would suggest treating for both worms and internal parasites. Praziquantel and metronidazol is what you looking for.

Cheers
Steve

 

[mohd]

Can you post what symptoms the fish have had other than easily visible spots?
What is your QT set up and water quality test results?
How where/are you acclimating them to the QT?
How was the hyposalinity being performed and where you closely monitoring pH?

You may actually not be dealing soley with C. irritans (ich). Butterflys can easily be infected with A. ocellatum (velvet) as well as internal worms/parasites along with the ich.
I think you may want to look into the possibility at least. If your fish are dying that quickly (5 days or less), C. irritans will not usually be the direct cause. I would suggest you forgo the hyposalinity therapy and switch to a copper remedy. If Cupramine (by Seachem) is available to you get that for sure. At the very least be sure it's a chelated brand. Do not use an ionic copper salt, it will most likely kill them justy as quickly.
Also check with your local fish store/supplier to see if they carry medicated foods. I would suggest treating for both worms and internal parasites. Praziquantel and metronidazol is what you looking for.

Cheers
Steve

It seems more likely velvet than ich caused it kill the fish that quick...!
so far, CHELATED COPPER is on my hand also a medicine contains Anhydrodi (P-Dimethylamino), Tripheylmethanol.
One more think some of my fish including Butterfly passing crammy white waste. Can metrodidazol be dissolved in the water and absorb by the fish? in case of Non-Eatting.

 

[steve-s]

also a medicine contains Anhydrodi (P-Dimethylamino), Tripheylmethanol.

An antibacterialcide? Never heard of it, what does the manufacturer say about it?

One more think some of my fish including Butterfly passing crammy white waste. Can metrodidazol be dissolved in the water and absorb by the fish? in case of Non-Eatting.

The creamy white waste could be from a parasite or worm. I would start off with metronidazole but it must be consumed via foods. It cannot be absorbed by the fish through water.

Cheers
Steve

 

[mohd]

An antibacterialcide? Never heard of it, what does the manufacturer say about it?


The creamy white waste could be from a parasite or worm. I would start off with metronidazole but it must be consumed via foods. It cannot be absorbed by the fish through water.

Cheers
Steve

Have you ever heard about Azoo Anti-Endo parasite?
http://www.azoothailand.com/medicine.htm

 

[steve-s]

I have heard of them, I believe we touched on the topic previously in this thread. The anti endoparasite will help with worms but I doubt internal protozoal parasites, not sure. In any event, it must be ingested to work.

Cheers
Steve