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I have instant ocean salt also. The lighting is what getting me confused everyone has different suggestions. I was looking at this light is it any good???

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...&category=46314&sspagename=STRK:MEBWA:IT&rd=1

Problem is I don't have that kind of money right now.

I have sand but it's dead at the present moment I was told to get 10 lbs of live sand and rake it in with my sand and later on it will all be alive again

So what you saying is this guy that says his rock is totally cured and is $335 a box for 50lb is full of it! :)

I figured that. But he has a 300 gal reef that is beautiful and I thought he knew what he was doing. He is the one that told me all you need is 1 blue light and 1 white light, but then he walks me to his reef where he has vho / mh lighting makes sense huh.
 
If you have some basic carpentry skills or a friend who does, you are much better off making your own lighting hood. You can buy retro kits which will give you more for your money. If you make the hood big enough you can easily rearrange your lighting to accommodate any future lighting choices.
I personally would start with the 120 gal since you have one. It is the ideal size for a Reef Tank,L(48")xW(24")xH(24"). It's 4 ' L and 24" H is well suited for any type of lighting,4' VHO's or 2 x MH's or both. The front to back 24" is also excellent for aquascaping your L.R. I can understand your apprehension, since you have spent a good sum of money in the past and have been getting mixed recommendations. I would take a pause and do the suggested reading. Then break out the 120:)
 
Regarding the L.R. you will always have some die off/curing to deal with. This is true since most all L.R. is shipped with damp news paper. There are several items ,such as sponges that will not survive the transport. To cure your L.R. you should place it in a large garbage pail with a pump for circulation and a heater. First examine the rock and remove any dead or dieing algae and sponges. The more you remove, the faster the cycle will be. This is also a good time to look for any unwanted hitch hikers, like crabs or mantis shrimp. You can use your 75 gal tank, since it is empty. Keep it unlit for two weeks and do several water changes. You can then place it in your tank with a good protein skimmer, like the MR-1. you can now add some lighting on a reduced photoperiod of a few hours a day. During this time there will be some minor die off and plenty of detritus accumulations. You can siphon the detritus off the bottom with a hose during water changes. It is for this reason that I do not recommend adding any sand since the detritus can be removed easily without it. Adding sand is a personal choice and it can be done later at the three month mark. I would also hold off on fish for at least this long. You will want to conquer any algae blooms with out the bio load of fish. When the algae has subsided and the water parameters are all good then you will have the green light for adding fish,etc.
You must have patience , and it is good time to sit back and read and think about what you would like to put in your tank. Welcome to the club.:)
 
DeerHunter73 said:


Problem is I don't have that kind of money right now.


DeerHunter.

Like I said before, the issue here is always the money. Thats why I mentioned maybe you want to start small.

Anyway. You don't have to rush everything. Make use of what you have now. You're setup is good enough for an "all fish" saltwater tank.

Here is the plan.

All fish first....(fish is good already to watch also while curing your tank. start with hardy fishes then always check your water param)

4 inch of sand.... that is good enough for this purpose.
Salt... you said you have instant ocean.... good.(instant ocean)

2 powerheads... good. maybe you can add more. (maxijets)

2 top water filters.... this is good, specially if you want to polish your tank. You can use those filter w/ activated carbon for brief period of time.

Wet and Dry.... Im not sure about this one. What brand? Maybe you can remove the bio balls ans still use it as a sump.

In sump skimmer.... What brand of skimmer?

A strip of light. Well you can still use this one. I bet its a NO. (normal output). For fish only tank, this is no problem. You can even still use the same light while curing your rocks (if you decided to buy in the future)

So there is no hurry. The slower I think is better. You give them time to cure and adjust without shock to you and to the inhabitants.

And while saving money for the next buy... you can prioritise what to buy.

1) Salifert testing kit. You really need something to test your water.

2) Base rocks. This is cheaper than live rocks. This will serve as a base for future liverocks. Or you can also do what others do. Use PVC plumbing plastics as your base rock. Paint it black so it wont show too much and drill it with so many holes, so you can use this to zip-tie it to your rocks. Some even drill their rockwork so they can insert it to their PVC's

3) As time goes buy. You can buy/add live rock. Then you can arrange it to your liking even before you buy any corals.

4) You need to choose if you want to buy a large pump and then close loop it to your tank or several small power heads then use an electronic wavemaker (red sea, natural wave) or those hardware version (sea swirl, ocean current). If i can afford one I will choose sea swirls... You can also use SCWD (cheaper alternative). And I have one but I prefer those electronic ones.

5)And when everything is stable and params are all correct. Then you can go to the next level... which is lighting. First you need to know what to keep. Are you going to do "SOFTIES" or "SPS" or "MIXED". Its realy up to you.

You can start with softies. If this is the case, you can do "VHO" setup. You can do 2 50/50 VHO setup or if budget permits go with 4 with additional 2 actinics. If you can seperate the ballast so you can do dusk/dawn setup. Icecap electrnic ballast is the choise but Workhorse 7 is really popular. I have one and its really a cheap alternative than icecap without sacrificing quality.

Like you said before, you just need some mild reef to have some decent display. I think having Softies and LPS is more than enough to satisfy "mild reef" category.

Then later on you can invest on a MH. You can buy one and set it up on the center so you can arrange your corals in such a way that light demanding corals wii be positioned on the center and softies on the side.

Then upgrade to another one to make it both sides will have MH.

Take your time... Good luck

Like the saying goes...

"Do it once.... Do it right."
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46313&item=2397305907&rd=1

That is basically my skimmer. Doesn't have a brand name listed though and I don't know if it's a 150 gal one but that one looks just like mine.

I think I am going to start out in the 75 and if that works later on shift little by little to the 120. If I bought enough LR and stuff for the 120 and it all died I would be out alot more money than losing the 75 gallon (hopefully neither happen) but I have to be prepared in case.

not to mention my 120 is occupied right now with fish noone seems to want lol.

3 Alligator Gars
1 Peacock Bass
1 wolf fish
1 pike cyclid
1 catfish

and there not too small either :)

thanks again and I will keep reading why I save my money up.

Also if anyone has a light already ready to go maybe thinking of selling it let me know maybe I buy it off one of you seeing you would know what I need.

Same with LR if anyone has some they don't want or need.

Thanks again
 
You can try to trade it on your local LFS.

I think that is a good plan... And who knows.... your 120 might be your grow out tank.... I've always wanted to have a grow out tank... i think they are also interesting to keep... where all are growing and it will be your mini garden...
 
48'' MH Actinic Aluminum Hood With 2x175w 5500k 2x40w Fluorescent

Fluorescent lamps are not included. Includes hood, fan, reflector, mh lamp, ballasts, sockets, end caps. $619.90

2x48'' VHO Upgrade $205.00


48'' BlueLine 4x48 VHO ABS Hood W/660
ABS textured plastic hood made by Custom Sea Life, complete with fan, splash lens, polished aluminum reflector, IceCap ballast, and lamps. 49'' x 13'' x 5'' $529.90


PCMH 48'' 2x175w Aluminum Hood

2X175W 55K MH, 2X65w Blue PC Reflector, Sockets, remote ballast, hood, and fan 49''x13.5''x6.75''
$699.90

175w 10000k+ Blueline MH Lamp Upgrade $45.00


These are three lights that

http://www.championlighting.com/e/env/0001UZ9Vt0hGLJQsv453854/index.html?link=/index.html

is recommending are those what I need or overkill and are those normal prices???
 
If Im going to do it... I will do my own hood. and then choose a retro... You can really chop those prices down.... let me check something and I will get back on you.

But those are really good choices... but pricey.... and I think for your tank you need to go 2x250watt MH
 
As to keeping it simple, most I've seen posted here is not KISS. I run tanks with DSB, LR, detrivores, cleanup crew, lights and two Emperor 400 filters. Simple efficent and easy to maintain.

Protein Skimmers, after using them for years; I do not use them on any new setups. Waste of money set up as above. That's my 2 cents worth.

Ray
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4300042053 (a light)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...&category=46314&sspagename=STRK:MEBWA:IT&rd=1 (a Light)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...0&category=3212&sspagename=STRK:MEBWA:IT&rd=1 (a Light)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20758&item=4300764316 ( I bought These)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20758&item=4300507424 (Thinking about buying these??)


I listed 3 lights and 2 different powerheads let me know your feedback on these and whether which light is what you guys are talking about and if these powerheads are good.


Thanks again.
 
The powerheads that you bought should be enough to circulate water in your tank and provide some current. The lighting depends on what types of corals and inverts you plan on keeping in your tank?
 
DeerHunter73 said:
DSB??? Detrivores??? and cleanup crew ??? what are these and where u get them ???

DSB = deep sand bed. It is a sand bed that is atleast 3' deep. You then add detriovores which are small animals in the food chain. Worms and pods that live in the sand and on the LR. They keep the tank clean and healthy while also being food for the larger animals in the tank. I put them in and feed them for 3-4 weeks so the numbers multiply before any fish are added to the tank. I add them when the cycle is finished. Clean up crew includes the detrivores and snails, crabs, starfish, andshrimp that eat left over food and algae. They also heklp your tank stay cleaner and healthier.

Their are many places to get them. I use www.IPSF.com and www.inlandaquatics.com

Ray
 
cool Which light is the best deal I don't know what I will decide down the road to keep. I want to buy the light and not have to worry about upgrading later.

I heard one of you say a 250w MH so I listed one on there to see if that is the light you were talking about
 
Yes that MH/VHO canopy top is perfect. You should not have to upgrade after buying that. The only expense is bulb replacement.
 

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