Ok, I need help now. Please!
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These statements kinda overlook the fact that a person might not know how to do, and is learning how to in the process of planning. No, this isnt rocket science, but it aint exactly finger painting either.
Some people have no or limited DIY skills, so just doing it, isnt as easy for them as it is with others.
My dad just about blew the house up screwing around with the furnace when I was younger, so I dont exactly come from a DIY household. But by researching alot of things and planning alot more, AND THEN doing it, I realized that some of these projects arent as difficult as I thought.
Relax, kick back, enjoy....
If her posts really bug you for some reason.....ignore them and post on other threads.
Nick
I agree...
I have 20+ years experience in marine tank keeping, and my current reef is 5 years old....do a search on my 500+ posts here and you'll find I ask more questions than I answer...does that mean I don't contribute, or haven't learned anything by actually doing it?
I only wish I would have had the benefit of the internet when I started the hobby...would have saved me a lot of grief and greatly accelerated my learnig curve...
Keep asking questions Beckmola
MikeS
I have 20+ years experience in marine tank keeping, and my current reef is 5 years old....do a search on my 500+ posts here and you'll find I ask more questions than I answer...does that mean I don't contribute, or haven't learned anything by actually doing it?
I only wish I would have had the benefit of the internet when I started the hobby...would have saved me a lot of grief and greatly accelerated my learnig curve...
Keep asking questions Beckmola
MikeS
Jiddy
Well-known member
MtnDewMan said:
How many banannas grow in a bunch on trees, and why do they grow upwards?
If I remember correctly, this lady had a very nice reef before she left WA. She just wants to get it right this time. Keep the questions coming Becky, no problem.
Jiddy
Well-known member
Im tottally in the same boat Becky, and this is the same part im stuck at. All i want is MOJO to tell me what to go buy at the hardware store and ill be happy =)
RockyHeap
Evil Genius
I didn't mean to get everyones corals in a tight waddy bunch, heck I have no problems with questions, we all shine in our different ways. Now lets all have a big fluffy reef club hug......
There is no magic answer to many questions in reefing, no one perfect way, so many variables, it's a never ending quest that some people desire that one magic bullet or super pill that will cure all woe's......just ain't going to be an easy black and white answer, regardless of the question.
So, along with the Banana question? How many Swallows does it take to carry a coco-nut?
Swallow Scenes from Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Monty Python and the Holy Grail - © 1974 - Python (Monty) Pictures, Ltd.
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Scene 1
[wind]
[clop clop clop]
King Arthur: Whoa there!
[clop clop clop]
Soldier #1: Halt! Who goes there?
Arthur: It is I, Arthur, son of Uther Pendragon, from the castle of Camelot. King of the Britons, defeater of the Saxons, Sovereign of all England!
Soldier #1: Pull the other one!
Arthur: I am, ...and this is my trusty servant Patsy. We have ridden the length and breadth of the land in search of knights who will join me in my court at Camelot. I must speak with your lord and master.
Soldier #1: What? Ridden on a horse?
Arthur: Yes!
Soldier #1: You're using coconuts!
Arthur: What?
Soldier #1: You've got two empty halves of coconut and you're bangin' 'em together.
Arthur: So? We have ridden since the snows of winter covered this land, through the kingdom of Mercia, through--
Soldier #1: Where'd you get the coconuts?
Arthur: We found them.
Soldier #1: Found them? In Mercia? The coconut's tropical!
Arthur: What do you mean?
Soldier #1: Well, this is a temperate zone.
Arthur: The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?
Soldier #1: Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Arthur: Not at all. They could be carried.
Soldier #1: What? A swallow carrying a coconut?
Arthur: It could grip it by the husk!
Soldier #1: It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.
Arthur: Well, it doesn't matter. Will you go and tell your master that Arthur from the Court of Camelot is here?
Soldier #1: Listen. In order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right?
Arthur: Please!
Soldier #1: Am I right?
Arthur: I'm not interested!
Soldier #2: It could be carried by an African swallow!
Soldier #1: Oh, yeah, an African swallow maybe, but not a European swallow. That's my point.
Soldier #2: Oh, yeah, I agree with that.
Arthur: Will you ask your master if he wants to join my court at Camelot?!
Soldier #1: But then of course a-- African swallows are non-migratory.
Soldier #2: Oh, yeah...
Soldier #1: So, they couldn't bring a coconut back anyway...
[clop clop clop]
Soldier #2: Wait a minute! Supposing two swallows carried it together?
Soldier #1: No, they'd have to have it on a line.
Soldier #2: Well, simple! They'd just use a strand of creeper!
Soldier #1: What, held under the dorsal guiding feathers?
Soldier #2: Well, why not?
So reef on you crazy diamonds.
There is no magic answer to many questions in reefing, no one perfect way, so many variables, it's a never ending quest that some people desire that one magic bullet or super pill that will cure all woe's......just ain't going to be an easy black and white answer, regardless of the question.
So, along with the Banana question? How many Swallows does it take to carry a coco-nut?
Swallow Scenes from Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Monty Python and the Holy Grail - © 1974 - Python (Monty) Pictures, Ltd.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Scene 1
[wind]
[clop clop clop]
King Arthur: Whoa there!
[clop clop clop]
Soldier #1: Halt! Who goes there?
Arthur: It is I, Arthur, son of Uther Pendragon, from the castle of Camelot. King of the Britons, defeater of the Saxons, Sovereign of all England!
Soldier #1: Pull the other one!
Arthur: I am, ...and this is my trusty servant Patsy. We have ridden the length and breadth of the land in search of knights who will join me in my court at Camelot. I must speak with your lord and master.
Soldier #1: What? Ridden on a horse?
Arthur: Yes!
Soldier #1: You're using coconuts!
Arthur: What?
Soldier #1: You've got two empty halves of coconut and you're bangin' 'em together.
Arthur: So? We have ridden since the snows of winter covered this land, through the kingdom of Mercia, through--
Soldier #1: Where'd you get the coconuts?
Arthur: We found them.
Soldier #1: Found them? In Mercia? The coconut's tropical!
Arthur: What do you mean?
Soldier #1: Well, this is a temperate zone.
Arthur: The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?
Soldier #1: Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Arthur: Not at all. They could be carried.
Soldier #1: What? A swallow carrying a coconut?
Arthur: It could grip it by the husk!
Soldier #1: It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.
Arthur: Well, it doesn't matter. Will you go and tell your master that Arthur from the Court of Camelot is here?
Soldier #1: Listen. In order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right?
Arthur: Please!
Soldier #1: Am I right?
Arthur: I'm not interested!
Soldier #2: It could be carried by an African swallow!
Soldier #1: Oh, yeah, an African swallow maybe, but not a European swallow. That's my point.
Soldier #2: Oh, yeah, I agree with that.
Arthur: Will you ask your master if he wants to join my court at Camelot?!
Soldier #1: But then of course a-- African swallows are non-migratory.
Soldier #2: Oh, yeah...
Soldier #1: So, they couldn't bring a coconut back anyway...
[clop clop clop]
Soldier #2: Wait a minute! Supposing two swallows carried it together?
Soldier #1: No, they'd have to have it on a line.
Soldier #2: Well, simple! They'd just use a strand of creeper!
Soldier #1: What, held under the dorsal guiding feathers?
Soldier #2: Well, why not?
So reef on you crazy diamonds.
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reedman
Well-known member
The people responsible for the creation of this thread have been sacked and we have brought in Ralph the Wonderllama and his crew to fill in.
RockyHeap
Evil Genius
reedman said:
Sorry, Ralph the Wonder llama called in sick today, but here is Dusty, Charco, and Yukon, our other critters at our Ranch.
We do try and keep them out of the reef, otherwise they keep knocking the frags over, but they're quite good grazers I must admit.
Anyone got any questions on Llamas? I'd be glad to help out being such a helpfull and caring guy that I am, and yup, they can carry quite a few coco-nuts too.
reedman
Well-known member
I'm dying here. Too funny.
Jiddy
Well-known member
Swallows dont live near coconut trees
Beckmola24
Hawkfish
iwantone, while searching for info on RC about the Tunze Wavebox, I came across a thread comparing the two. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=569761&highlight=Wave2k
Hope this helps!
Hope this helps!
piercho
Mackerel
Becky, I'd start by engineering your OF->SUMP->RETURN loop. The dimension you generally know to start with is how many inches of linear overflow you have. This determines your max overflow rate, which can't exceed the max sump return rate. Design your return plumbing, so you know how many feet of pipe (horizontal and vertical), elbows, and outlets you have. Armed with these figures, you can use a plumbing calculator to assist you to pick your pipe diameter and pump.
Using eductors on the sump return takes a different approach. You take a flow chart for a series of pumps like the Iwaki RLT. Then you draw a line across it at about 23' head (10 psi). Choose the pump that will not overload your overflows at this head. Now, look at the maximum flow you will get for that pump at that pressure. This needs to be matched to the eductor or eductors you will use. For instance, let's say you have 20" of linear overflow, that will give you roughly 1400 GPM = 23 GPM for a maximum flow rate. You would get about 23 GPM out of an Iwaki 100RLT at 23' (10 psi). If you are using a series PE (low profile) Penductor eductor that screws into 3/4" fittings, you would use 3 penductors at 7 GPM each (21 GPM net). Generally, you don't need to figure plumbing loss when designing eductor return plumbing. In the above example, the plumbing up to the eductors would be 3/4", the main line out of the pump would be 1", an this should not cause much plumbing resistance in a typical setup.
So anyway, the sump return flow determines your "base" flow and flow pattern. Once you know this, you can design in your supplemental flow from a closed loop, stream on a controller, wavebox, or whatever.
Using eductors on the sump return takes a different approach. You take a flow chart for a series of pumps like the Iwaki RLT. Then you draw a line across it at about 23' head (10 psi). Choose the pump that will not overload your overflows at this head. Now, look at the maximum flow you will get for that pump at that pressure. This needs to be matched to the eductor or eductors you will use. For instance, let's say you have 20" of linear overflow, that will give you roughly 1400 GPM = 23 GPM for a maximum flow rate. You would get about 23 GPM out of an Iwaki 100RLT at 23' (10 psi). If you are using a series PE (low profile) Penductor eductor that screws into 3/4" fittings, you would use 3 penductors at 7 GPM each (21 GPM net). Generally, you don't need to figure plumbing loss when designing eductor return plumbing. In the above example, the plumbing up to the eductors would be 3/4", the main line out of the pump would be 1", an this should not cause much plumbing resistance in a typical setup.
So anyway, the sump return flow determines your "base" flow and flow pattern. Once you know this, you can design in your supplemental flow from a closed loop, stream on a controller, wavebox, or whatever.
Jiddy
Well-known member
Did you do anything on flow yet Becky?
Beckmola24
Hawkfish
I'm starting to get a little more familiar with flow I'd rather ask the questions now... before the project starts then wait until I'm in the middle of something and have to stop and figure out what to do In my defense, I would like to be a well rounded reefer and be able to confidently help anyone who needs reefing help
I'd rather ask the questions now... before the project starts then wait until I'm in the middle of something and have to stop and figure out what to do In my defense, I would like to be a well rounded reefer and be able to confidently help anyone who needs reefing help
Beckmola24
Hawkfish
I was a parent's nightmare when I was a youngun' I asked SOOO many questions :lol:
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