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Yes Mike it maks sense. As we have discussed I have a softie lagoon set-up and everything is really on the grow. May just need to take your advice and get a clam from ClamsDirect. ;)

My display is devoid of algeas and my macro algea is well established in my refugium FWIW Colin. :D
 
Yes Collin using macro algae for nutrient uptake has been done for a long time, and it is ok to do. Folks just need to be aware of a few problems that come with it. Making sure it doesnt go sexual is a big one, so how and when you light it can come into play, RHF is a big fan of small doses of Iron to make it more stable to. Also when arvesting it try to remove entire plants with out breakin them. When you break them you release toxins such as growth inhibitors, and other such lovelys


Mike
 
Mike, harvesting macro algae, & harvesting other algae's like we do while blowing it off the LR, scraping the glass & vacuuming, isn't this a simpler form of removing excess nutrients?
 
Craig Manoukian said:
My display is devoid of algeas and my macro algea is well established in my refugium FWIW Colin. :D

Mine is as well. When I harvest my algea, I just cut it off the top with sizzors. Some stuff oozes out and dries up the next day. I don't really notice any lack of growth in my corals. I only harvest about 1 time/quarter or so. When I try to pull it up by the roots, it disturbs the bed so I stopped doing this. Maybe I should give it some more effort though.

I also have a small amout of halimeda in my main tank that is growing out of a colony of yellow polyps (these sure have no problem growing!!!) Anyway, I have noticed some small amount of burgundy slime or hair algea that grew off the top of these halimeda. Also, I noticed a small patch between two heads of my candycane corals. Is this cyano? or what is it. This is the first problem I have had like this. The stuff on the halimeda lasted about a week and is declining. I'm not sure what to make of this? Any suggestions?

Collin
 
Scooterman, it may be a "simpler" form....I think of it more like 50-50 work. The macros utilize the excess nutrients, but we have to do work to export that nutrients. Don't forget that macroalgaes leak, too. Also, when people feed macros back to the tank, then they are simply reintroducing the nutrients that were just stored by the macros. Kind of defeats the purpose, IMO.

Collin, it may be that detritus/waste is accumulating in these areas, and allowing the cyano and hair algae to grow.

When harvesting macros, removing the entire plant is ideal. If not, when pulling it apart, pinching at the site of removal will aid in the prevention of toxin release. Rinsing the algae in old water change water (removed from tank during a water change) will help to get rid of the nasty stuff. When using scissors, the "open" end of the macro is there to release all of its nasty goodness. Here is some supplemental reading: Basic Refugium Maintenance, and Does Halimeda Release Toxins?

oops, sorry, I basically just repeated what Mike said :) .
 
Boy I sure missed a lot of stuff. It took me forever to read this thread.

Collin, without a pic, I can't say for sure. However it sounds like it could very well have been a little cyano. Cyano's are little scumbuckets. There are a lot of strains and some of them don't even need light. As discussed in this thread, P is going all over the place so the P is readily available. They, like most living critters are heterotrophic. As a result, the only other things they need are Nitrogen and Carbon. They can fix their own Nitrogen so that's not an issue. Hand them some DOC's (which are prevalent in our tanks) and they are off to the races.

To go back to the subject at hand, I thought you might like this adobe acrobat file on P being a limiter.
 
Well to repeat what Nikki just repeated, I think it is important that people remember that most macroalgaes are unicellular. Some of them are not but most of the species we use for export are. When you cut an algae, you are not breaking a couple of cells.....you are breaking THE cell. Because of this predicament and the fact that they can't run and hide when an herbivore comes around, they have adopted some defenses. These are called activated defense systems and are discussed on <<this thread>>.
 
Ok, thanks folks. I am convinced I should remove whole algeas from the fuge.

Concerning the red slimy stuff though. It is forming in very strange places. On the tips of my halimeda (which is nearly gone now) and on the points of the skeletons of some long dead candycanes. That is the only places. Detrius can't really collect here. Anyway it is going away. I've been baster blasting to help clean up.

Curt...thanks for the paper...it was interesting and on topic.

Just got a nice metallic green brain coral today. It's really pretty.
 
Collin what is happening on your candy cane, is that you have some dieing tissue, the bacteria are reducing the decaying tissue, the result is some nitrogen products being released, Remember Cyano is a bacteria and algae living in harmony. What you see is the algae but belw the bacteria are the ones fixing the nitrogen for them. I would blow the cyano off the coral and do due dilligence in keeping it that way. Bacteria doesnt really distinguish between living and Dieing tissue (a good one for SPS keepers to remember when blowing off their corals).

Mike, harvesting macro algae, & harvesting other algae's like we do while blowing it off the LR, scraping the glass & vacuuming, isn't this a simpler form of removing excess nutrients?
Scottie that is a great question. Really it is the base question of all filtration forms.
The vast majority of nutrients enter the tank via waste and extra foods, the rest we can control (ro/di water, low nutrient salts and additives and so on) so this is the real culprit that we face. It is in dealing with this that we get a ton of different methods.
>DSB's users go for off gassing the nitrogen based products and sinking the balance.
>Mud uses, pretty much the same just a little less functional, but the replacement of the mud is a big plus.
>ALgae scrubber folks bind up P and N (to a point) and then harvest to export. Good for dissolved not so good for particulate.
>Refugium folks do it the same as above.
>Ozone folks oxidize Nutrients is to obliteration. Good of that but comes with pitfalls.
> BB folks remove the waste/extra food prior to reduction or breakdown


The list goes on and on, Each individual makes thier own choice at when and where to deal with the problem. Each system has pros and cons and that is what folks need to beware of. If they know that then they can make an educated choice.


Mike
 

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