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Hi everyone, I have been reefing for 8yrs now and have never heard of hydroid worms before until all of a sudden one day i have 5-6 small patches throughout the reef. I picked up a peppermint shrimp but it doesn't appear like any have declined. Any help would be great as to how I can rid the tank of these pest without medicating and killing half the reef. Thanks :)
 
I've had hydroids in my tank for a while now. I have yet to see them do any damage what so ever. I have read about the damage they can do, but I see none of this in my tank. The only thing I can think of to get rid of them is to epoxy over them. If they can't feed, they can't live. I know of no natural predator.
 
I have some of these little buggers in my tank as well. The patches around my shrooms and buttons seem to keep them from opening up completely. A conversation on my club forum suggested using kalk paste made from pickling lime to get rid of them. Here is the main points of the suggestions, posted by DonJasper...

" I've found that Joe's Juice works, if you keep applying it. At like ~$10/bottle - that's faint praise. (For apastia)

Kalk paste is messy looking. But at like ~$2 / lb for pickling lime - it's pretty cost effective. And it kills everything.

Simple removal works pretty well, and is the most cost effective of any solution.

This is what I would do. Focus on the rocks that can be moved with a minimum of effort. I'd gently remove them from my tank, whack off the infected chunk and replace the 'clean' rock. Taking baby steps I'd do "one" rock a day. I'd consider grinding away at the infection until I reach dry rock (to make sure I got it all). You can also peel hydroids away, but knowing me I'd miss a small patch and have to do it again.

Now on the more difficult rocks. I'd treat them in place, and smother a small area in kalk paste. Small as in half-dollar sized spot. I've got a syringe/tubing setup to do that. Mixup a batch of pickling lime / water to the consistancy of paste, and slather it on the 'weeds'. It's not real sticky underwater, and it takes a little practice to not spread dripping blobs of the stuff when working with vertical surfaces.

The trick with kalk paste is that it has a ph of like 12. Very caustic - it burns things on contact (which is good), but when it comes in contact with the water all the Alk/Ca gets sucked out and it forms a surface layer of nothing. Two effects. One is that to really make it work you have to apply is such that it balloons out - and the inside of your dollop of kalk paste has the nasty ph of 12. I like to think of it as a cookie press (Real men do bake cookies). And even if the ph doesn't get them - they'll be encased in a white rock-like coffin. The second effect is that the stabbing dollops of kalk paste is giving your tank an Alk/Ca boost. Which in moderation is a good thing. So a small area every second day or so.

You could remove the difficult rocks - but the resulting moving frenzy / dust storm will cause a micro-cycle in the tank. Anything that's not robustly happy make slip the surly bonds of earth. I'd expect my tank to need a couple of weeks to settle down after such an event. Personnally I'd rather watch ugly white blobs on my rocks for awhile. If you really hate them - they'll have turns to soft rocks after a week or so and you can remove them. But I'd give them a month - just to make sure everything is dead.

"ATTACK PLAN".
Smother them in kalk paste."
 
Welcome to Reef Frontiers!

I had a couple in my nano, and I thought about putting epoxy over them. Since it is a nano tank I was able to remove the rock and apply kalk paste on them. I waited a few minutes and rinsed the remaining kalk off. This seemed to work for me. I am keeping my eye out for more on the same rock, just in case there were some I didn't see.
 
Be careful using the kalk paste. I had a pH mishap when trying to get rid of my hydroids. Only do a little a day. It does work, but you may have to repeat the treatment. Great picture of the little trouble makers. Im sure someone will want it for a hitchhikers ID page.
 
Thanks for the info folks, I will try the paste and epoxy the areas of rock that I cannot remove.

And yes those are the little brown polyps Scooterman, you can see there effect on the birdsnest coral as it has been stung by these nasty pest a couple of times. I actually moved the birdsnest a second time onto the hydroids to see if they were really stinging the coral-that's why you can see two small dead spots on the bottom of the coral :evil:
 

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