wave98
Pearly
Hello all:
I'm pretty new here and had gotten a "wasting type" of plenum installed before I graced the pages here at RF. I had come across the idea on another site, and then found some discussion here, that ran on for over a year, and then just sort of died without coming to any real conclusion.
That thread eventually became constrained to detritus removal primarily, with a lot of supposedly "given", "can't do this because", and "can't do that either because", statements and viewpoints that left the thread sterile and the concept basicly untried.
I am not so concerned about "detritus removal", as it was dealt with previously because I believe that it should be handled with flow and suspension in the water column, which is already important for other reasons.
Further, I am not promoting plenum's, or their "wasting", as a cureall to anything, and various other systems will need to be utilized to complete the system. All other systems are welcome to be included, ie. vodka, reverse flow, phosban, skimming for sure, refugium, UV, and on, et al.
It simply appears that not enough investigation and "discussion" has been applied to this potential option in general, other than some people "chucking spears at it". There are some people investigating it to the degree that they can, under the "cross fire".
My interest begins with actually wanting a substrate to begin with, for it's visual appeal, and the creatures that live in it ( gobies-shrimp, jawfish, cukes, starfish, etc.).
From there, how can we best maintain, or even "control" the functioning of a substrate, to whatever degree we can, and remove some nutrients and "chemical sink" compounds while we're at it?
Now I'm not much for getting into "debates", in fact I particularly abhor them, and highly prefer intelligent discussions.
MikeS is looking at his "occasional flush" method. ( suggested by Mojo )
I am in the "High Frequency Plenum Wasting" camp, which I just created( if no one else wants take credit for it )!
Aqurium debacle has his vodka "enhanced" reversed flow version.
Mojo and others just gave up and went BB.
I see particle size and bed depth as important starting points, which are related to and affected by flow, wasting rate, and frequency.
The substrate certianly does not need to be homogeneous IMO, and layering could go a long way toward solving various problems that the unconvinced are concerned about, and which the "naysayers" chuck spears at! :idea:
Well, that ought to get us started, and if it gets too messy here at the beginning, I will get some current posts from other threads that are ongoing, pulled into this so people can bone-up on some of the issues that need to be addressed.
Thanls to all, and happy reefkeeping! - - - Wave98
I'm pretty new here and had gotten a "wasting type" of plenum installed before I graced the pages here at RF. I had come across the idea on another site, and then found some discussion here, that ran on for over a year, and then just sort of died without coming to any real conclusion.
That thread eventually became constrained to detritus removal primarily, with a lot of supposedly "given", "can't do this because", and "can't do that either because", statements and viewpoints that left the thread sterile and the concept basicly untried.
I am not so concerned about "detritus removal", as it was dealt with previously because I believe that it should be handled with flow and suspension in the water column, which is already important for other reasons.
Further, I am not promoting plenum's, or their "wasting", as a cureall to anything, and various other systems will need to be utilized to complete the system. All other systems are welcome to be included, ie. vodka, reverse flow, phosban, skimming for sure, refugium, UV, and on, et al.
It simply appears that not enough investigation and "discussion" has been applied to this potential option in general, other than some people "chucking spears at it". There are some people investigating it to the degree that they can, under the "cross fire".
My interest begins with actually wanting a substrate to begin with, for it's visual appeal, and the creatures that live in it ( gobies-shrimp, jawfish, cukes, starfish, etc.).
From there, how can we best maintain, or even "control" the functioning of a substrate, to whatever degree we can, and remove some nutrients and "chemical sink" compounds while we're at it?
Now I'm not much for getting into "debates", in fact I particularly abhor them, and highly prefer intelligent discussions.
MikeS is looking at his "occasional flush" method. ( suggested by Mojo )
I am in the "High Frequency Plenum Wasting" camp, which I just created( if no one else wants take credit for it )!
Aqurium debacle has his vodka "enhanced" reversed flow version.
Mojo and others just gave up and went BB.
I see particle size and bed depth as important starting points, which are related to and affected by flow, wasting rate, and frequency.
The substrate certianly does not need to be homogeneous IMO, and layering could go a long way toward solving various problems that the unconvinced are concerned about, and which the "naysayers" chuck spears at! :idea:
Well, that ought to get us started, and if it gets too messy here at the beginning, I will get some current posts from other threads that are ongoing, pulled into this so people can bone-up on some of the issues that need to be addressed.
Thanls to all, and happy reefkeeping! - - - Wave98