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Roly

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I bought a Porcupine Puffer last week and it has quickly become my favorite fish. He's awsome! However, Im having a hard time feeding him. Im trying to feed him Krill (freeze dried and/or frozen). On my first try, he ate one and spit it out. I soaked some in Zoe and he didnt seem to care for that either. Today he ate one but, again, seemed to spit most of it out. My LFS told me that it is normal that he is just nervous about being in a new tank. He said not to worry that he could go up to a month with out eating and still be OK.
I know that fish can go a while with out food but I also know that that isnt good for them. It's been a week now. Any ideas / suggestions? Thanks in advance for any help.
 
Try putting a clam in there. It is more like their natural diet and it is good for their "beaks"

Good luck :)

-augustus
 
Try putting a clam in there. It is more like their natural diet and it is good for their "beaks"

Good luck :)

-augustus

Just to make sure, he does NOT mean go and buy a Tridacnid Clam. Go to your local market, and buy bay area clams, and throw em in the freezer. Take one out, open it with a knife if its not open (don't cut yourself) and toss it in there. They go nuts.
 
Im prob gonna sound really dumb but will they (local market) know what I want when I say "bay area clams?" How often do I give him a clam? This is prob another really dumb question but do they come in different sizes?
 
In addition to what has been mentioned, this article talks about beak care, and also mentions foods to help keep the beak healthy. Fish Dentistry: Tooth Wear and Care in Predatory Fishes

Here is a quote from the following article Puffer Care and Info:

When you get your new fish, many of them will not necessarily eat right away. It's best to not to feed them for 24 hours as they are getting settled in to their new tank. Though, this really doesn't apply to the porcupine puffer... Usually these fish adjust relatively quickly and will except food from you within a few hours of being introduced to their new home. I find that when many of the large breed puffers, especially porcupines, it's best with placing in live snails as the first feedings. This is what they no doubt ate before being captured, and helps them adjust much more quickly to accepting food from you. The puffers that we are discussing are active hunters, and an active hunting puffer in the wild tend to have more invertebrates in their diets rather than the less active breeds. But, luckily puffers will eat just about anything, and will quickly adapt to prepared foods. You will not be able to feed your puffer any sort of flake food; it might eat them, but don't expect to have a long-lived fish. This fish needs food with more substance, and without it this fish will not survive in captivity. Like stated before, puffers regularly need hard-shelled meals to wear down their ever-growing teeth. I've easily gotten small live ghost shrimp and varieties of live snails that are perfect to wear down the teeth of the puffers. This doesn't have to be a daily feeding, but plan on doing it at least twice to three times a week. Living food is not as important as the crunchy shell that is on them. You will also need to plan on feeding the puffer small mollusks, shrimp, and krill with their shells on them quite often. I find that if you are feeding live clams with their shells on, crack them with a nutcracker or pliers first so the puffer will be able to get a purchase on it. I use blocks of frozen brine shrimp as food, or Mysis shrimp, and then simply add in the extra foods like the cocktail shrimp, squid, and clams as a bonus to the puffer. Remember brine shrimp doesn’t offer that much nutrition, so, you will need to supplement their diet with better foods. This seems to work the best, and most cost effective. All these things can be found (with the exception of Brine shrimp) at your local grocery store. People food is perfectly fine for your puffer, and I have never had any problem with the cheapest brands of seafood with my puffers. There is a seafood mix that is sold in many grocery stores that is perfect for feeding, it contains, shrimp, squids, octopus and all sorts of other sea creatures that your puffer will love to have. This mix is suppose to be used for humans to make seafood salads... But, it comes in a nice sealed bag and it can be kept chilled for quite some time. I would like to add that if the food becomes spoiled, please don't give it to your puffer; they can get sick just the same as you and I from bad food. Certain puffers have taste for food all their own, I've had puffers that loved clams, and other puffers that wouldn't even try it. So, this is something you will have to discover as you get more use to your puffer. A varied diet is the key to a happy and healthy puffer. When dealing with foods like shrimp, crab, crayfish, clams, shellfish be careful when buying uncooked items. It is a common trick in the food industry is to douse shrimp in chlorine to kill surface bacteria. This can be fatal to your fish & aquarium, so be sure to wash the food before serving it to your puffer. This goes for fresh, unfrozen items as well. A important note when feeding live Clams, Mollusks: Grocery stores or fish markets will often have clams that seal themselves up, but are still very much alive. Make a container full of fresh seawater and place the clams inside. They will open and flush wastes. If not, you might run the risk of getting your puffer sick.
 
Another method, after cleaning the clam, is to take a hammer to the clam. This will break the shell up in to pieces and the puffer will chew on the shell fragments eating the clam off them and spitting the pieces out. This helps assist in keeping their teeth trimmed.
 
Thanks everyone! Do I freeze the clams when I buy them or do I just put them in the refrigerator? How many do I gigive him and how often? Should I still try to feed him the krill? How often? Sorry so many questions
 
Before you worry about keeping its teeth trim, Roly, you need to get it to et.

Puffers are known for their reluctance to start eating in captivity. Your LFS is correct. Zoe is a vitamin so that shouldn't appeal to the fish at this point in time.

Try different foods and when the Puffer is ready, it will eat. Just don't be 'confused' or 'suckered' into believing that the food it starts to eat is the 'miracle food.' When the fish is ready, it will eat. Just keep varying what you offer. Eventually its feeding behavior will kick in.

You don't mention its size. If it is a relatively large one, some live food may tempt its feeding behavior -- small fish, small hermit crab, etc.
 
Regarding live clams:

Make sure they are alive, like mentioned in the reference Nikki provided. If alive, I like to open them up. Then rinse in RO/DI or distilled water. Then freeze. The freezing kills most parasites and should be frozen solid (over 24 hours unless your freezer is a real deep freeze of significantly below freezing temperatures). Then thaw ONE clam. Rinse again in RO/DI or distilled water, manually close the clam (it should be easy to close and open). It is ready to drop in for a Puffer.

One calm at a time. Put one in and if he eats it, put in another.

Again, you don't mention the size of the fish, so the frequency and amount of feed can't be provided. Older/larger fishes require less frequent feedings.

Yes. Keep trying krill and all the others. Stick to frozen foods (krill, plankton, squid, etc.)

When the fish eats, then include supplements of vitamins (e.g., the Zoe) and fats (e.g., Zoecon, Selcon, etc.).

Good luck! :)


 
Thanks guys. Great advise as always! Im gonna go to the store and buy some clams and do as you guys advised. My puffer is a smaller puffer. Its about 3.5 - 4 inches long. So I should feed it a clam a day then? And try to "convince" it to eat the krill (frozen or freeze dried) ?
 
IF it will eat the clam, then one medium (under 1.5" across) per day is okay. If you happen to get large or huge clams, then one every other day.
 
OK I went out and bought 5 clams. They only had large ones about 3 - 3.5 inches wide. I figure I'll feed him every other day. However I ran into a problem, I cant get that sucker open with out destroying it! How do you guys do it?
 
You have to sneak up on it. At least that is one way.

If the clam is alive I set it upright in some spent aquarium salt water. The clam will open up just a bit. When it does I stick a knife in it. The clam will usually shut around the knife. I run the knife around inside the clam, cutting the muscle that holds the two halves together. It's fairly easy after that.

So long as the clam is alive and you're sure it is, then a clam knife and 'poker' are the tools. With the poker you puncture the tough membrane where the two halves come together, at the end where it meets the shell. Once you get a hole there, then it is the same as above, you run the poker into the clam to cut the muscle holding the two halves together, or you widen the hole to get the knife in to do the same job. Once the poker gets in and does some damage to the muscle, the clam will often part its shell enough to get the knife in as in the first scenario.

Obviously applying heat to the clam will also open it, but you really don't want to cook any part of it, so it's a matter of muscle (human) vs. muscle (clam). Once you learn, it isn't such a difficult thing to 'shuck' a clam.

If you're unsure about where and how the clam muscle is attached to the shell, smash one open with a hammer so you can see how it is all attached. Even the smashed one should be fed, so long as it was alive. Just freeze it after you do your 'autopsy' (actually a necropsy, or post mortem exam) and then thaw as previously recommended.

Good luck!
 
So I shouldnt just cut one open and assume it was alive and then feed it to him right?
Other than the clam opening up by himeself, is there another way of knowing if its alive or not?
 
No absolutely reliable way. Although if the insides smell bad or are dried up to any extent, it is usually a good clue it is dead.

Were they bought/advertised as 'live' clams? Were they displayed on ice? Were any of the clams on display open (usually only a couple are and then, they are open a very tiny bit). If they were on display submersed in saltwater, that would have been a better indication they were being kept alive.

I find, even in getting a dozen medium sized clams, from a display of them being under water at the store I go to, that one out of 4 or 5 are dead. :(
 
Thanks for all of your help. I really appreciate it! They didnt have them desplayed at all. I asked if they had any live clams and they said that they did in the "back". They asked how many I wanted and brought them out for me. They must have been on ice becuase they were cold but thats all I really know. I think what Im going to do is throw these out and start again. Im gonna make sure to see them on display. When I get them home I'll place them in salt water and hope that at least a few open up.
 
Smart decision. The problem is that those that have been dead for a while are evident by the smell and dryness I mentioned. Those that kicked-off recently are not that easy to tell.

I usually buy 30% more than I need because of those that 'don't open.' So if I need or want to have 12, I buy 16.

You're welcome! :)
 

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