DonW
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Good. FWIW were experimenting with a new one called moxidectin that can be had without a prescription and can be made into a dip. It was suggeted by Tom Miller the inventor of milbemycin oxime.
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Good. FWIW were experimenting with a new one called moxidectin that can be had without a prescription and can be made into a dip. It was suggeted by Tom Miller the inventor of milbemycin oxime.
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cr8signs
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I am new to keeping corals. THis all sounds complicated. WHat are red bugs?
BEsides red bugs I mean, what do they do to corals? I have about 12 different corals in my tank and have never done anything except put them in my tank. Looks like I could be headed for trouble.
BEsides red bugs I mean, what do they do to corals? I have about 12 different corals in my tank and have never done anything except put them in my tank. Looks like I could be headed for trouble.
tamarindthai
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i got a lot of red bug in my tank,if you can find my tank and my coral in RF,,you will know.get rid of them before introduce it to any reef tank by any means.
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DonW
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I am new to keeping corals. THis all sounds complicated. WHat are red bugs?
BEsides red bugs I mean, what do they do to corals? I have about 12 different corals in my tank and have never done anything except put them in my tank. Looks like I could be headed for trouble.
Its not that bad. They really dont cause much in the way of trouble. They are just tiny little critters that perster corals. Some people dont mind them and others worry.
Don
class clown
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Jan/ Jesse and anyone else who tried the interceptor dip - Seeking your input on how it all went. What sorts of results did you experience with the dips? What can you share with the rest of us that may be hesitant to try it? walk us through your experience and any lessons learned. Thanks.
tamarindthai
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jan and jessei my sps lived with the bugs for so many years and they are gonn keep on lived with the bugs,,example:i got solomon 1 1/2" now 7"x5" colony and red table hysyns.1/2" i mean 1/2" ,now 4"x4" colony ,and they are growing and keep on growing,,they are redbug resistance,,redbug can not harm them or even bothering them at all,, not effecting grow rate or color,,if you think red bug gonna disturb yours other,,that will be your call to tread with interceptor,,other that just enjoy and watch them grow,come and see my redbug sps tank sometime ,,and tell me what you think? ,that my 2cents
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As far as the red bugs go I think I was succesfull. Been looking for the last few days and havent seen a one.
Heres all I did:
microwave tablespoon or two of water
Put in half pill
Crush up the pill in the hot water. I just used the handle of a butter knife.
Let cool.
Then I added a little bit of this mixture to each of the containers that was holding my coral.
20 minutes later I began acclimation.
After aclimation I swooshed off each coral in a bucket of tank water then added to the tank.
The only thing I would change is I would increase my "swooshing" time. Somehow I think some of the interceptor made it in the tank via a cavity in the rock or something because when I woke up the next day there was three dead hermits in the tank. If the residue killed some of the hermits in my tank while running carbon, then I am sure that the red bugs are toast.
I would defintly do it again.
Heres all I did:
microwave tablespoon or two of water
Put in half pill
Crush up the pill in the hot water. I just used the handle of a butter knife.
Let cool.
Then I added a little bit of this mixture to each of the containers that was holding my coral.
20 minutes later I began acclimation.
After aclimation I swooshed off each coral in a bucket of tank water then added to the tank.
The only thing I would change is I would increase my "swooshing" time. Somehow I think some of the interceptor made it in the tank via a cavity in the rock or something because when I woke up the next day there was three dead hermits in the tank. If the residue killed some of the hermits in my tank while running carbon, then I am sure that the red bugs are toast.
I would defintly do it again.
Scooterman
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One thing I don't understand, you take a cup of water from your tank, add the crushed pill that was dissolved in hot RO/DI cooled then you drip acclimate it to your tank water again? Seems to me dipping the coral the cup of tank water pretty much voids the need to acclimate after all that huh, it is the same water your dipping it in right
or is it water from the coral provider?
class clown
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Good to hear Jesse - everything doing fine? polyps out? all look good? and red bug free ehh? cool. Went with a half of a pill ehh?
i like the idea of leaving the corals in the bags/container they came in and then adding the interceptor. Nice work! good thing hermits are cheap. Any shrimps in the tank?
what made you choose a half vs. a third of a big pill. sounds like either would work, I would've just been worried that a half was too strong. Guess you prooved that wrong.
so you would add more swooshing time to the recipe.
Jan - anything to add from your experience?
i like the idea of leaving the corals in the bags/container they came in and then adding the interceptor. Nice work! good thing hermits are cheap. Any shrimps in the tank?
what made you choose a half vs. a third of a big pill. sounds like either would work, I would've just been worried that a half was too strong. Guess you prooved that wrong.
so you would add more swooshing time to the recipe.
Jan - anything to add from your experience?
Aye I have a cleaner and a pepperiment and both were ok.
As far as wether to use a half or a quarter or a third I couldnt tell yah sure, just guessing. I figured that since it was being split to 4 differetn containers I should use a little more. I was more scared of using too little and introducing bugs then I was worried about using to much.
As far as wether to use a half or a quarter or a third I couldnt tell yah sure, just guessing. I figured that since it was being split to 4 differetn containers I should use a little more. I was more scared of using too little and introducing bugs then I was worried about using to much.
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DonW.....fyi
I played with some rebugs last week from a friends tank.........
Used some HOT ro/di to mix it up and proved you right, which you of course already knew.
20 minutes in a dip and sure enough.....dead bugs.
Its the solubility difference right there......without using the hot water it obviously doesnt mix well enough and thats why i never saw the bugs die that fast in the past....
Always learning.
I played with some rebugs last week from a friends tank.........
Used some HOT ro/di to mix it up and proved you right, which you of course already knew.
20 minutes in a dip and sure enough.....dead bugs.
Its the solubility difference right there......without using the hot water it obviously doesnt mix well enough and thats why i never saw the bugs die that fast in the past....
Always learning.
Hey Ben if you need some interceptor I am pretty sure I can spare a 1000mg tablet. I have been using around 50mg in a 2 gallon tank for 3-4 hours. I use a powerhead to mix the crushed interceptor before adding the unmounted frags.
class clown
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Thanks Steve. Jan has offered me some up, but I very well may take you up on that offer a little ways down the road If I run short.
So you've had success with the dips too ehh? If you do it for 3-4 hours, you must have a powerhead and heater setup in your 2-3 gallon tank I assume? Any RTN/STN issues on your part? how many times have you tried this method?
Jan
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What I can add is that I did not follow the procedure above (didn't acclimate properly with the slow drip, for one thing), and my corals all died from the experience.
So I will probably try it again since others have had success, but this time I will make sure that I utilize the packing water and add a small amount of cooled treatment water to this packing water to avoid one source of shock to the corals from water switching. Second change I will make is better acclimitizing after the dip, with a slow drip of tank water added to the treatment/packing water mixture. After 30-60 minutes of slow drip acclimitizing (which I did not do this last time), I will put the treated corals into a gallon or more of tank water of the same temperature and swish them around well to get remnants of interceptor off the frags. I didn't do that well enough either and I had some hermit crab (and probably copepod) death in my tank. So as you can see I did several things carelessly and the result was death of my coral frags. I don't blame this on the interceptor but on improper procedure on my part. At least I started out with the cheap corals (NOT!) :badgrin:
So I will probably try it again since others have had success, but this time I will make sure that I utilize the packing water and add a small amount of cooled treatment water to this packing water to avoid one source of shock to the corals from water switching. Second change I will make is better acclimitizing after the dip, with a slow drip of tank water added to the treatment/packing water mixture. After 30-60 minutes of slow drip acclimitizing (which I did not do this last time), I will put the treated corals into a gallon or more of tank water of the same temperature and swish them around well to get remnants of interceptor off the frags. I didn't do that well enough either and I had some hermit crab (and probably copepod) death in my tank. So as you can see I did several things carelessly and the result was death of my coral frags. I don't blame this on the interceptor but on improper procedure on my part. At least I started out with the cheap corals (NOT!) :badgrin:
class clown
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Hey Jan - I appreciate you sharing your expeirence. it is never easy to loose corals, but if it's any consolation, you may have saved other peoples corals by sharing your experience on the forums. Interesting about the hermit die off and the need for extra swooshing that you experienced too. I'm sure I can find some more broken off pieces of purple tip that I can send you home with this weekend and you can try the dip again hopefully this time with better results.
I'll ask you the same question as I asked Jesse... did you ahve any shrimps in the tank?
Jan
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Ben, I just added 2 shrimps to my tank on Monday night (I didn't see the dead hermit/snails until Tuesday). So I made this addition 24 hrs post-dip and tank placement. Today I saw the new peppermint shrimp and he is okay. I need to look for the coral-banded shrimp though...I haven't seen him in the last 24 hrs. Hope he's okay.
Thanks for all your help and support; same to you Jesse/Dang/Paul/Mark.... This really is a wonderfully supportive community.
Thanks for all your help and support; same to you Jesse/Dang/Paul/Mark.... This really is a wonderfully supportive community.
I have done the dip three times now, each time I had around five different frags in the dip. I have never had any die off from the dip. I did have a heater in the two gallon tank with the powerhead and I used my tank water. I did not do a saltwater drip. I replaced the dip water with fresh tank water after the dip and used the powerhead to blow off each frag, figured it was a good rinsing method and may blow off any red bugs that maybe just stunned.
DonW
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DonW.....fyi
I played with some rebugs last week from a friends tank.........
Used some HOT ro/di to mix it up and proved you right, which you of course already knew.
20 minutes in a dip and sure enough.....dead bugs.
Its the solubility difference right there......without using the hot water it obviously doesnt mix well enough and thats why i never saw the bugs die that fast in the past....
Always learning.
I'm glad it worked for you.
I have alot of scientific / drug related resources outside the hobby. Need Info just ask I can usually come up with fact based answers.Don
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