Red Bug Topic

[treehugger]

I got injectable ivermectin from work to experiment with. Like I said previously it was a great success and seemed to stress the corals less then the interceptor. I know that it is also the main ingredient of heartgard which is sold over the counter at just about every pet store...and even target...I have yet to use the heartgard itself since the injectible seemed alot purer. Anyway I'll let you all know what I find out as far as the heartgard is concerned as I experiment more on these two poor little browned out sps that I have subjected to being infected with rb and then dipped repeatedly.

 

[krisfal]

So how do we deal with a frag we buy from someone

IMO you should always assume that pest are a possibility and know you are assuming the risk if you do not take precautions. I still tend to put things right into my tank even after having had to treat for red bug, I know I probably should not, but usually am too rushed to deal with treatment when I get home

I think honesty as Dang shows is a good thing, we may not all choose to get rid of pest for whatever reason, so if we know we have them be up front about it. I would probably make sure I took the time to treat the coral if I bought one from dang, because I would know for sure I would be adding red bug, so I might actually be better off:shock:

Just my opinion

 

[salmonslayer]

Honesty is a great thing. I still can't stress this enough. I will try this one more time ( not pointing a finger at any one person )
If you can treat it, why don't you before you sell it to a fellow reefer. I could be beating a dead horse here. Maybe its just me. I don't understand. Lots of people buy frags with no Q asked and find out later ( whats redbug ) after they put it in there tank, lets say his name is ( bob) He gave some to joe who gave some to tom who gave some to larry and so on before Bob realy knows what he did.
The telling someone you have it is not working. Just trying to find another alernative to help stop the spread of this. Why should 100 Reefers treat there corals when the reefer ( one person ) that has it CAN TREAT IT AND WILL NOT.
PS Not talking about ONE PERSON.
DANG: you have a beautiful tank. I woulnt say its the best I ever seen but its up there. If you got rid of all your REDBUG we would still have this problem. With that said Sorry if I offended anyone.

 

[danno14]

I think honesty as Dang shows is a good thing

Upon this I will agree... better that someone TELL you they have it than to find out the hard way.

The STD analogy seems pretty fluid here as well. Red bug vs. AEFW is like comparing herpes and HIV.... there is a responsibility on the part of the giver to inform the receiver. The difference in this comparison is that neither STD can be wiped out, and one of them may kill you. And we all know what we think of someone who knowingly passes either on to someone else :}

My supposition is that similar contempt be held for anyone who knowingly passes on Red Bug or AEFW, with or without treating.

To specifically address the $100 an inch issue, it seems to me when someone (dang or whomever) is charging a tremendous premium for a product, that product better be the absolute best. Accordingly, the husbandry of that product should be the absolute best. "You get what you pay for" references more than just what a coral looks like or its rarity when you are propagating as a hobbyist. If you are a retailer or wholesaler, the equation may be argued to be somewhat different, but we all know who we are inclined to support BECAUSE we know their integrity and husbandry to be excellent.

We are each responsible for what we put into our tank, and wisdom dictates everything live that goes in be quarantined, dipped or whatever is most appropriate. Wisdom is readily available via forums like this, but most is directly learned via success and mistake. It should be the responsibility of the more “senior” reefkeepers to share their “wisdom” (from both success & mistake) with others, and if they choose to share corals (for ridiculous amounts of money or for free) to do what they can to avoid perpetuating red bug, AEFW, MEN, or what have you.

For me, this is just a hobby. For me, this is not about ego. For me, this is not about having something no-one else has, but about sharing so that others may too.

Oh yes, I am not sorry if I have offended anyone! If I have, get over it!
I have no hidden agenda, or inclination to kiss anyones a$$.
My friends are my friends, and they know who they are.
There are many "unmet friends" out there who I am looking forward to meeting.
To all of you, good luck and have fun
D

 

[dailydriven911]

Upon this I will agree... better that someone TELL you they have it than to find out the hard way.

The STD analogy seems pretty fluid here as well. Red bug vs. AEFW is like comparing herpes and HIV.... there is a responsibility on the part of the giver to inform the receiver. The difference in this comparison is that neither STD can be wiped out, and one of them may kill you. And we all know what we think of someone who knowingly passes either on to someone else :}

My supposition is that similar contempt be held for anyone who knowingly passes on Red Bug or AEFW, with or without treating.

To specifically address the $100 an inch issue, it seems to me when someone (dang or whomever) is charging a tremendous premium for a product, that product better be the absolute best. Accordingly, the husbandry of that product should be the absolute best. "You get what you pay for" references more than just what a coral looks like or its rarity when you are propagating as a hobbyist. If you are a retailer or wholesaler, the equation may be argued to be somewhat different, but we all know who we are inclined to support BECAUSE we know their integrity and husbandry to be excellent.

We are each responsible for what we put into our tank, and wisdom dictates everything live that goes in be quarantined, dipped or whatever is most appropriate. Wisdom is readily available via forums like this, but most is directly learned via success and mistake. It should be the responsibility of the more “senior” reefkeepers to share their “wisdom” (from both success & mistake) with others, and if they choose to share corals (for ridiculous amounts of money or for free) to do what they can to avoid perpetuating red bug, AEFW, MEN, or what have you.

For me, this is just a hobby. For me, this is not about ego. For me, this is not about having something no-one else has, but about sharing so that others may too.

Oh yes, I am not sorry if I have offended anyone! If I have, get over it!
I have no hidden agenda, or inclination to kiss anyones a$$.
My friends are my friends, and they know who they are.
There are many "unmet friends" out there who I am looking forward to meeting.
To all of you, good luck and have fun
D

Dan, well put I agree 100%! I also about fell out of my chair laughing at your comparison!:lol::lol::lol: That is a great quote and so very true!

 

[BCT182]

I see that Dang has gone and deleted all his posts. I'd like to clarify, Dang I wasn't out to attack your personally. When you jumped on with the comments you made, you yourself made this a thread specific to your tank. Yes you do have red bugs but so do many other people. I ended up getting some grow a well known lfs in the Portland area.

The point I was trying to make is that as a group (nw reefers) all attempted to nip this in the butt before spreading our frags around, it would help everyone. Being proactive when you purchase a coral is obviously important, but why knownly spread the problem. Some up and coming new reefers may not be aware that red bugs can create problems, and when they look at a tank like Dangs, that concern lessens all the more. He however may not have the same luck, and will end up with a tank full of red bugs and 150-200 dollars in different kinds of ornamental shrimp which have to go/die in order to treat the red bugs.
So sorry Dang that you've taken this so personally.

Hopefully this thread on prevention/treatment of red bugs can get back on track as there are many frusterstee reefers looking for solutions.

Brett

 

[Herefishyfishy]

I want to talk about the coral infestation that I got from Salmonslayer. The corals I got from him are all growing so fast bright and strong, they are an infestation.

I hope this next decade gets a peace infestation.

 

[knowcrap]

Personally I am ashamed to have any association with all of you (meaning SS, HFF, DD911, BCT, Roscoe, etc.) I have realized this board is becoming a lot like high school...like if you are not in the South-End clique you might as well not even bother as these are the 10 to 15 people that dominate this board day in and day out.

On to the topic - red bugs...not the end of the world (do some research and show me where they have decimated any system) and with SS jumping up and screaming about Dang's red bugs every other day how could anyone not know he has them?!? Seriously, it's really insulting after the 50th time.

And maybe people would not be so prone to getting them if people were not so coral hungry, or better yet so coral GREEDY. People selling coral for $25 they were sold for $10, people nagging when they come over to frag things after it was stated they are not being fragged at the time and the kicker, people wanting everything for $10, that is just not the way it works.

If you want "rare" or colorful corals you are going to have to pay for them, that is just the way it is in a market driven economy. There are fair market values and if you're not willing to pay the price someone else is. Try to imagine how much time, energy and effort it takes to make a stable system and grow a coral into a large colony that has the potential to be fragged. Many of these "rare" corals are difficult to keep and are not widely available, thus the price is driven up...supply and demand.

And you want karma? Try treating your reef like something you treasure, something to grow into a great thing of beauty rather than a forest you can clearcut. Try to make a point of having a plan and getting what you really want rather than jumping at everything you see posted at a cheap price. Try letting your system mature past the initial cycle before cramming it full of anything you can get your hands on. Try not to look at it as a money making machine and rather something of beauty for you to enjoy.

...before you lambaste me try looking in the mirror first, you may not like what you see.

 

[krisfal]

Hopefully this thread on prevention/treatment of red bugs can get back on track ...

Brett

So what does anybody know about using ivermectin? Any links you know of I can read some info?

 

[Scooterman]

This forum isn't to discuss issues anyone has with others in private manners, It is your responsibility to QT anything you get from anyone regardless if it is a friend, lfs or whatever, bashing others publicly isn't doing anyone good & violates our user agreements. I urge you all to re-read the user agreement.

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