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well i currently have a pipefish and soon to be adding a pair of seahorses to a 55gal.....interested in what corals to stay away from adding to tank,,,,,i know anemones....but what about plate corals....bubble corals...torchs....frogspawns..
 
well i currently have a pipefish and soon to be adding a pair of seahorses to a 55gal.....interested in what corals to stay away from adding to tank,,,,,i know anemones....but what about plate corals....bubble corals...torchs....frogspawns..
Seahorses and SPS don't mix for the simple reason that SPS needs lots of flow, while Sea Horses need calm water. Softies and some LPS is fine
 
thank you.....ya the flow is very slow in tank...i just have a couple lps i would like to keep in there....and not have them eat $$$$......i have a 4" large bubble coral, 3 " plate coral, 3 headed torch...there will not be any sps
 
Seahorses and SPS don't mix for the simple reason that SPS needs lots of flow, while Sea Horses need calm water. Softies and some LPS is fine
First off the corals mentioned are LPS not sps, and any coral that can sting should not be in a tank with seahorses.
Seahorses, DO NOT NEED calm water and in fact you can have areas of low, medium and high flow with hitching in each area so they can choose at any given time where they wish to be, just as long as the high flow cannot blast them against something to do them damage. In fact, many like to "play" in high flow areas.
The only seahorses I would put with pipefish are wild caught seahorses as captive bred failure rates are extremely high when pipefish are introduced to the tanks, introducing pathogens that the seahorses are unable to deal with most times.
The bubble, plate, and torch are NOT suitable for seahorses IMO.
 
pipefish is already in system & it's online with my DT....i will be going with captive bred seahorses- way less issues with them!!!
 
Unfortunately unless you have a captive bred ORA pipefish, you will be most likely dooming your seahorses to a death from pathogens they cannot handle.
Check out seahorse.org for the likelihood of success of pipefish with captive bred seahorses.
 
Personally I think that if you want seahorses you should skip the reef all together. They do real well in specialized sea grass systems. They stress very easy and their primary goal in life is to reproduce. If they are not reproducing they are not happy or healthy.

Don
 
One other issue to consider, if your Seahorse tank is plumbed into your reef tank, is temperature. Very few seahorses are actually suited for the tropical temperatures of reef tanks. Most seahorse species live in cooler temperatures. The higher temperatures are one of the contributing factors of a very common pathogen that kill seahorses. Keeping captive bred, with wild caught pipefish, furthers the chances of this bacterial infection, since this is a pathogen that primarily effects Syngnathidae and almost always results in death.
 
....so your saying that my pipefish(not any other wild caught fish) will release the pathogens???...sounds kinda strange that 1 fish would take out one other fish and not harm others.....i get seahorses are very sensitve......i will be going with captive bred.....for the temp. issues & any pest that come from wild.......the 55gal is filled with macro algaes......working on adding other types....

so r there still issues when adding captive bred seahorses with captive bred pipefish....


what makes the pathogens from wild caught & tank bred diff?......sorry if thats a stupid ?....
 
It's a pathogen that is unique to Syngnathidae. Captive bred are much less likely to carry it, but are just as sensitive to it. Wild caught are more likely to carry it. Because of this, captive bred could more easily get it, from wild caught. Keeping Syngnathidae in water, at a temperature they aren't naturally from, immensely raises the chances of them getting it. Since your tank is hooked to your reef, I would make sure to limit the species to tropical species.
 
IMO, seahorses can be affected by multiple pathogens, not just one. They can be transferred from ANY other fish not bred and raised in the same facility.
Because true captive bred are traditionally not exposed much to other pathogens, and, due to their susceptible problems with pathogens, they are much more prone to dying than if you were to use wild caught that have a much larger exposure to pathogens in their life span.
If you introduce pipefish from ORA with seahorses from ORA, then they would be expected to have similar exposures and thus not be a problem.
However, ORA is the only source of captive bred pipes in North America at the moment.

Most seahorse species live in cooler temperatures
That is incorrect. In fact, most seahorses available to the hobby are tropical and come naturally from warm water. The problem however is that in the wild, the bacteria is not captive and water is always changing.
In our tanks, the bacteria IS captive. Because seahorses are "messy" fish in that they don't eat all the food put in, and, they masticate the food when it's snicked in, passing a residue through the gills into the water, they provide excellent food source for the bacteria.
Bacteria multiply exponentially with each rising degree temperature, especially above 74°F so that fact coupled with the nutrient availability means that we can be more successful keeping the seahorses at a cooler temperature than they would normally be found in.
A good range is between 68° and 74° but with due diligence paid to housekeeping chores, some hobbyists can be successful at 77 or 78°.
That doesn't mean there are no seahorses successfully kept at higher temperatures, only that the odds of success are slim.
 
Most seahorses (I believe) come from Florida and Hawaii for our trade. And I agree with DonW that seahorses do best with a dedicaded seagrass macro algae tank. You can maybe add a few softies but IMO I'd stay away from LPS and SPS.

FWIW, Seahorses are less likely to contract bacterial infections if the temperature is not allowed to exceed 74°F. They will be harmed by anemones and corals with stinging tentacles or corals that are large enough to consume them, such as brain corals and torch corals.

Cheers,
Alex
 
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Personally I think that if you want seahorses you should skip the reef all together. They do real well in specialized sea grass systems. They stress very easy and their primary goal in life is to reproduce. If they are not reproducing they are not happy or healthy.

Don
Mine thrived in a C. Mexicana and softy tank with Gorgonia and a few non-stinging LPS. Kept them in a 54g corner Bow with the powerheads along the back and deader flow in front. Had them with ORA pipefish
 
did you qt your SH..where did you get your SH..herefishy......i dont think i want to try and qt them....little risky....i need to talk to nata and find out where she had got the pipefish i have now....
 
did you qt your SH..where did you get your SH..herefishy......i dont think i want to try and qt them....little risky....i need to talk to nata and find out where she had got the pipefish i have now....
Bought mine from a guy who got his ORA SHs from Rob at ARSA (Red Sea Aquarium) Technically they were always quarantined, as they had the tank to themselves...
 
It's a pathogen that is unique to Syngnathidae
Mycobacterium is the disease I was referring to.
Not sure where you find this information as mycobacterium is NOT unique to syngnathidae.
As far as affecting seahorses, it is occasionally found but not nearly as commonly found as vibriosis is. (see Pathology forum on the "org" by Labdoc)
 

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