signs of a cycled tank?

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assuming i do not have a test kit (which i don't just yet)

what would be the signs of a cycled tank. diatoms spread all over now pretty much gone, have green and purple coralline making a come back, green hair alage, and little bug-like things crawling around my rocks (do not think they are pods but i guess they could be)
 
True, if you can't afford a test kit how could you afford fish? :lol:

Take some of your tank water to the LFS in a ziploc bag; most of them will test your water for free (or at least cheaply).
 
obviously i plan to buy one but im going to wait 'til after i get the protein skimmer. just wanted visual signs so i can know how things are progressing (sp)
 
and its not that i cant afford but i havnt come across any. only freshwater ones.

i need a few more piecies of live rock, a protein skimmer, test kit, calcium additive, plankton additive, then i can start looking at livestock when the time is right
 
Don't worry I'm just playin' with ya... but seriously the only "visual indication" I know of is that lack of coloring on an ammonia and nitrite test kit.
 
and its not that i cant afford but i havnt come across any. only freshwater ones.

i need a few more piecies of live rock, a protein skimmer, test kit, calcium additive, plankton additive, then i can start looking at livestock when the time is right

LFS should be able to test for you. You dont need additives of any kind especially phyo. I'd get the test kits first and do extra water changes until you get a skimmer. Again stay away from the phyto.

Don
 
well i planned on keeping creatures like feather dusters? don't they need supplemented feedings besides whatever they catch ?

and the calcium is for inverts/corals. well inverts need iodine also don't they?
 
You have such a long way to go before you should add anything. Waterchanges with something like IO is all your going to need until the tank matures a little. Start with the test kits and skimmer. Once you get the hang of water quality then worry about chemistry. NO PHYTO

Don
 
Ditch the iodine. There will be plenty in the water changes. I do not target any dusters in my tank but you can suppliment but it is really not needed. Do yourself a favor and buy salifert test. Water changes should keep your CA levels up right now until you get a larger coral population.
 
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You have such a long way to go before you should add anything.
i agree totally with this...you don't need to dose calcium or anything for that matter...if there is nothing in the tank to use up the calcium, you will be overdosing it and causing problems!!!! there are plenty of elements in IO to support even just a few coral as long as you do regular WC's, which are needed...
i need a few more piecies of live rock
if you are going to be adding any more liverock, you should give it a little bit of time to cure..even if it is mostly cured, there could be some dieoff...don't take the word of your LFS about it being cured..let it cure for a week or two extra and then test to be on the safe side:D
 
Just another opinion on additives. Wait on them. Water changes should supply anything you need for a long time. I've never dosed Iodine, ever. I only started dosing phyto because I have clams. Feather dusters have always done just fine without it.

Water changes and skimming will be your friend for a few months. I'm a huge fan of water changes, but some aren't, especially during the cycling. I prefer to export as much of the "junk" as possible, and water changes are the way to do that. Some feel this hinders the cycle. I dunno, it worked for me, perfectly.

A cycle should take about 6 weeks, technically. However, I'd wait at least a couple months before adding corals. Near the end of the cycle, you can start thinking about a cleaning crew (snails, hermit crabs), and that will also help. At about the six month mark, you should really start feeling confident about your tank, and at about a year, "Bob's your uncle", it should be very well matured and husbandry will come naturally.

I'm not a fan of using fish to cycle a tank. I added my first fish about 3-4 months into the game, and my first corals just about that time, as well. The tank was filled with just the cleaning crew until then. As a point of reference, in the beginning, I had about 60 snails of various species and about 40 hermits in my 38g. A couple years later, that number is drastically lower, but so is the nutrient load.

A new tank is so fun, and full of all sorts of adventures! You'll see all sorts of "WHAT THE HECK IS THAT THING" types of animals in the middle of the night. You'll watch the maturation step by step. It makes me want to set up another tank! :)

When I first got into the hobby, I wanted to see photos of month by month as a tank matured. So... I did them myself. Here's a small gallery of full tank shots, periodically through my tanks 2 years.

http://www.cvreefers.org/v/CVR_members/Sherman/album67/
 
Water changes and skimming will be your friend for a few months. I'm a huge fan of water changes, but some aren't, especially during the cycling. I prefer to export as much of the "junk" as possible, and water changes are the way to do that. Some feel this hinders the cycle. I dunno, it worked for me, perfectly.
i agree..i like to get the junk out during cycling..i have my new octopus skimmer in my tank with the rock right now..it is pulling some nasty stuff out!!!
 
A cycle should take about 6 weeks, technically. However, I'd wait at least a couple months before adding corals. Near the end of the cycle, you can start thinking about a cleaning crew (snails, hermit crabs), and that will also help. At about the six month mark, you should really start feeling confident about your tank, and at about a year, "Bob's your uncle", it should be very well matured and husbandry will come naturally

well said

almost like he knows what im doing,
 
A tank may be cycled in six weeks but that only means that it is cycled for a very few animals. The cycle will continue until you have the amount of animals that you plan to keep. Bacteria will grow as the waste products of the animals increase. My reef is 36 years old and I am sure that if I add a large fish more bacteria will have to grow to take care of the wastes. In short, a tank is always cycling.
Paul
 
That is exactly correct Paul, and more people need to understand that. Its about finding an equilibrium between bioload, and bacterial population processing.

I still find people doing water changes during cycles and things and I just have to roll my eyes as the work spent all to delay the finding of the equilibrium.
 
How does a water change effect the equilibrium? It will simply decrease populations, but it will deplete all of them equally. Water changes aren't selective on the nutrients they pull out. Let's say I did a 50% water change during a cycle. I've decreased the ammonia by half, the nitrities by half, and the nitrates by half. I've also decreased the bacteria population in half. I have not, however, effected their relative proportions in any way. To say that water changes prolong the cycle is likened to assuming that moving an entire setup directly into a larger body of water would also prolong the cycling. You and I both realize this isn't the case. It's simple dilution, not an altering of supply and demand of nutrients.
 

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