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I just bought a 75g 48"X18"X21" with soft corals. I moved them all over to my 100g and I hope to do SPS.My question, is my light adequate? I have 2 4ft marineland reef capable lighting fixtures. They grow leathers like nobody's business but how will they work with SPS.
 
are they the marineland LED? from what I can tell they are "reef softy capable". check out Oceans By Design LED's. best bang for the buck around! they are probably the reason ecotech had to drop their radions down $100 and they still don't compare.
 
are they the marineland LED? from what I can tell they are "reef softy capable". check out Oceans By Design LED's. best bang for the buck around! they are probably the reason ecotech had to drop their radions down $100 and they still don't compare.

C'mon, seriously? I'm sure this is a great light for anyone looking for LED lighting on a budget and I would definitely consider it if that was my price range, but the OBD light doesn't even come close to the Radion in options. It has 2X the led's and uses more watts to cover the same 2sq ft area that a Radion does. Reostats to dim? You can program the Radion colors individually and set intensity to your hearts desire with no controller necessary and it syncs with Ecotech pumps. Just sayin :)
 
C'mon, seriously? I'm sure this is a great light for anyone looking for LED lighting on a budget and I would definitely consider it if that was my price range, but the OBD light doesn't even come close to the Radion in options. It has 2X the led's and uses more watts to cover the same 2sq ft area that a Radion does. Reostats to dim? You can program the Radion colors individually and set intensity to your hearts desire with no controller necessary and it syncs with Ecotech pumps. Just sayin :)


Now dont be bitter Chichas:biggrin1::wave: just joking.

But you got to let me at lease reply to a couple of things.

So in regards to options: Yes the OBD led does not do lighting, cloud or seasonal simulations. The software that you can buy for extra from Radion allows you to control the individual colors that are on the radion fixture, cool but is anyone really going to crank up the red or green?? if not then its down to blues and whites and we can do that. I will also add that the Radion is a very nice sleek looking light fixture.

It has 2X the led's and uses more watts to cover the same 2sq ft area that a Radion does.
So here my friend we kind of part ways. The Radion in no way comes close to the par output of the OBD, not even close. You get twice the par and strong par across the whole 2 foot square (Obd actually goes 30 inches by 24). I will make you a deal I will come to your house with a fixture and a quantum light meter and if the Radion is even close I will come back here and admit I was totally wrong, if you will do the same?? I will even bring coffee?? And yes the stock light uses rheostats to dim, or for a little more you can use a Typhon controller or use it with your Apex.

Honestly folks they are two different animals and should not be compared. The Radion light is a very high end fixture in the neighborhood of 900 for the new fixture only, its thin and sleek as it puts the drivers in a box away from the light and if you want you can buy the software that allows you to play with the simulations listed above and control the light colors individually...very nice light.

We designed the OBD light with only two reasons in mind. First is to bring the required photons to the corals, this light delivers more par/pur to the coral then any other light on the market. They have performed so well that Live-aquaria and two Wholesale coral houses in LA now run them over their corals tanks. The second reason is price point, thier is no reason for a hobbest to have to pay so much money just to get the benefits (less heat, less electrical cost and longevity) of having leds over their tank.


If you boil it down to having the correct amount of light over your corals in a color that pleases you then it is really hard to argue with twice the par for half the price??? If you are looking for a light that has the goodies and a sleeker design and you have the money the Radion is a good choice. To be honest we sell both and with their MAP pricing I make more selling the Radions.

let me know my friend it would be good to measure the Radion again.


Mojo
 
No worries Mojo, like I said if budget was my main constraint, I'd probably have 2 OBD fixtures above my tank now. It's a good debate to have and it's all good-natured :) One thing though, there is no extra charge for the software to configure the Radion. It's free. In fact, they have moved to a web app now that has more features than the original EcoSmart config Utility.

Both fixtures will grow coral, that I'm sure of.

My main point in my post was that they do 'compare' and there are significant differences between the 2.The Radions are highly configurable for intensity of every color channel all on there own, no controller needed and that is a feature that is a must, at least for me, in a LED fixture. Plenty of folks are using the red and green channels and adjusting them to their liking. While I don't use the lightning storm (wife said it almost sent her into a seizure :lol: ), I do use the cloud feature as it seems a natural part of any day-in-the-reef. Not to mention that Ecotech support is top notch and the upgrade path for the fixtures offers even more options for the buyer. Ecotech has also made it easy for users to share their programs with each other so that there is no guess work in trying to make your settings look like another users. If you find someone with great color and coral growth and want to emulate it, done. How awesome is that?
If you visit the Ecotech forum over on RC, you see all kinds of examples of configurations, PAR/PUR readings and tons more info. I'm not so worried about the readings, I see coral growth and color that is pleasing to me so that tells me it's working.
 
No worries Mojo,

good good

My main point in my post was that they do 'compare' and there are significant differences between the 2.The Radions are highly configurable for intensity of every color channel all on there own, no controller needed and that is a feature that is a must, at least for me, in a LED fixture.

Well sure you can compare them, lets take a look.

Software: Radion wins hands down

Controllable: Radion has the software but for about a hundred dollars you can upgrade the OBD to use either a Apex (which gives you seasonal, ramp up and down, dawn dusk and so on) and with the Typhoon you get pretty similar with the exception of the seasonal. If do dont upgrade then you have the rheostats you can use with timers as you would MH or T-5's and so on.

Light source: With the Radion all light is emitted from 2 three inch clusters which house 42 leds. So a total of say approx. 8 sq.ins of light source? With the OBD you get six 4 inch clusters holding 12 leds each for a total of 72. Almost twice the par and intensity and you get 24 sq.in of coverage on the surface. The reason I mention surface coverage is that with the use of optics (both use) you need to spread the light source out or you will end up with a narrow cone or very weak readings unless the light is directly over the coral.

Spectral colors: The Radion has 8 colors although red is none usable by coral and the two violets are with in 10nm's of each other. The OBD uses 6 colors although the white and cool white are with in 15nm's of each other.

Price: Radion gen 2 = 900.00?(which is the spec I used) Obd = 379.00

Customer Service: Radion: Outstanding (per your recomendation) OBD, well we try hard to.

So if you look a little deeper into color output and controlability you have to look at the spectral output chart made by Ecotech themselves. IN looking at the chart you can see that the vast majority of the par output is between 400 and 500nm's the rest really is insignificant. Then when you take into account that anything out of the 400 to 500 zone is not even used directly by Zoox for coral growth....well... eye candy at best??

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If you want a stand alone controller to work with the lights then you should use the Typhon controller unless you already have an Apex or similar. We would have to modify them first to work with either.

Mike
 
C'mon, seriously? I'm sure this is a great light for anyone looking for LED lighting on a budget and I would definitely consider it if that was my price range, but the OBD light doesn't even come close to the Radion in options. It has 2X the led's and uses more watts to cover the same 2sq ft area that a Radion does. Reostats to dim? You can program the Radion colors individually and set intensity to your hearts desire with no controller necessary and it syncs with Ecotech pumps. Just sayin :)

Yes, seriously. This hobby is expensive enough! of all the models I have researched....and all the "55x 1w" models I will stand by my claim that OBD has the "best bang for the buck". Thats what I said and it is simply true.( and I havn't even been to thier store yet btw). Radions don't compare because of price. drop the price of the radions and then they can compare.....and then you can STILL argue the OBD are a better fixture as has been stated. Give me the choice between a $50,000 amercian muscle car that will blow the doors off a $90,000 import and guess what I will do? Blow your doors off! ( I'm not saying radions are imports).

Don't take it personaly though. just my opinion!
 
Will there be software to work with obd fixtures in the future?

No sedrostyle sorry. We are kind of moving in a different direction with the OBD lights. Instead we are building custom fixtures for folks, so to explain. What we have done is to take the components of the standard led fixtures and to install them in a sleek black acrylic fixture that is sized to each persons individual tank, the fixture will come with a metal leg system that attaches to the back of the tank stand and it has a hinge and pin system so someone can walk up to it and lift the whole fixture up and out of the way when you want to work in the tank. I will post up some pictures of it on our forum when its complete.
 
Still awesome things you guys do. I was thinking of a rapid led build and was going to go with the pwm driver. What drivers do you guys use.
Your setups I take it are fully dimmable?
I'm not sure if it's on this topic but I've read when going to LEDs that you'll need to power down your LEDs to begin with for our corals.
By this I'm guessing your meaning the drivers themselfs for each color max Amps? Like blues and whites run at 1.3 so you'd want to run them to begin with at day .2 ?
Is there no way to DIY something software wise with one of your custom obd setups for my tank or anyone else's tank? If someone had the means of doing so?
Do your setups have a controller at all?

I need to come down there and talk to you guys I think and pick your brains doin can get some things straightened out. I want to pull the trigger on a led setup soon

:) I may be pulling information from ten different dirrections and I am sorry in advance.
I am very eager to learn many of things and haven't sorted out everything completely yet

Also a thanks

Steven
 
Will there be software to work with obd fixtures in the future?

If you go with the Typhon controller you can set up any dimmable driver with cloud or lightning simulations. For that matter, if you get real technical with arduino programming you can link your computer to the controller and get real time data for your reef. IMO the OBD lights with a typhon controller do have software. Just not easily reprogrammable without a bit of know how. More of a DIY method.
 
sedrostyle
Still awesome things you guys do. I was thinking of a rapid led build and was going to go with the pwm driver. What drivers do you guys use.
Your setups I take it are fully dimmable?
I'm not sure if it's on this topic but I've read when going to LEDs that you'll need to power down your LEDs to begin with for our corals.
By this I'm guessing your meaning the drivers themselfs for each color max Amps? Like blues and whites run at 1.3 so you'd want to run them to begin with at day .2 ?
Is there no way to DIY something software wise with one of your custom obd setups for my tank or anyone else's tank? If someone had the means of doing so?
Do your setups have a controller at all?

Steven do me a favor and start a thread in the OBD forum with these questions, I just wanted to reply to some statements made on our lights and its kind of turned commercial on me. I would be more the happy to answer all your questions.


Mike
 
Steven do me a favor and start a thread in the OBD forum with these questions, I just wanted to reply to some statements made on our lights and its kind of turned commercial on me. I would be more the happy to answer all your questions.


Mike

Let me know how I can help. Id like to be involved with the locals around here. Helping people and learning as I go.
See you there.
 

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