Sump size for 75 gal

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I received a new tank for christmas! Its a 75 gallon with the overflow in it.
We are making the stand for it soon so Im wondering how to figure what size sump would be best for it, to allow for room in the stand ect..

I know very little about sumps, overflows ect.. so Im trying to learn all I can about it. Any good links for ideas
and info?
 
The bigger the sump the better as the more water volume you have in your system, the more stable your system will be. If I remember correctly, I had about a 25-30 gal sump in my stand when I had my 75gal up and running. Still had plenty of room under the stand for an external skimmer and 2 shelves for keeping fish food etc . :)
 
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Sculpin,

Are you considering making your stand a bit oversize, that is, larger than the footprint of your tank? A few extra inches front to back is nice to have inside a stand.

Also make sure that you design your stand with enough height to access your skimmer plus any other equipment you will have inside the stand. Large doors are nice, too.

Krish,

Your space under your tank is nicely laid out. You can see and access everything easily. The section for the power strips and the timers is great.

Gary
 
Krish,

Your space under your tank is nicely laid out. You can see and access everything easily. The section for the power strips and the timers is great.

Gary


Thanks man...Before I swapped from this setup to another tank, I had a chiller plumbed into the mix as well and still wasn't that bad. All I did was extend my stand a bit off to the side which is an option for those with not enough space under their stands to fit everything. Here's a pic :)

BTW, excuse the silly crap my wife put on top of it :p



 
Ah thanks for the pictures.. that helps alot!

I do have a 30 gallon glass tank Im not using
right now. It might make a good sump. It looks a bit big
as far as getting it in the stand. Maybe not.. I wanted to
have a sump/refugium. Stand is still in the planning stages so I can adjust it for room. Im married to a cabinet maker so I can get it done how I want hopefully!

Good thoughts on making sure the skimmer will fit
in the stand and having extra room front to back.


How do you figure out what size pump (pumps?) are needed
to run the sump?
 
On a 75 gal setups you will typically see return pumps anywhere from about 600gph to about 950 gph. Also, if you are concerned about your sump not getting in the stand, a few people put doors on the sides of their stands (or atleast one side) so that the tank could easily slide in from the side as most 4 ft tank stands will have a brace down the center of the front which makes it difficult to push anything big in from the front :)
 
Also, if you are concerned about your sump not getting in the stand, a few people put doors on the sides of their stands (or atleast one side) so that the tank could easily slide in from the side as most 4 ft tank stands will have a brace down the center of the front which makes it difficult to push anything big in from the front :)



I did this on my latest system. I was able to get alot bigger sump into the stand, plus if I have to I can get it back out without having to tear down the whole thing.
 
I received a new tank for christmas! Its a 75 gallon with the overflow in it.
We are making the stand for it soon so Im wondering how to figure what size sump would be best for it, to allow for room in the stand ect..

I know very little about sumps, overflows ect.. so Im trying to learn all I can about it. Any good links for ideas
and info?

one quick tip (a lot of good info you got there), make sure that the sump can hold any excess water that may drain down if the pump stops working.
 
one quick tip (a lot of good info you got there), make sure that the sump can hold any excess water that may drain down if the pump stops working.


Yes, I read that and need to figure that out. Tons of good info I got, I read most of it once and need to read it again.

Some things still dont make sense yet so once I read more I'll ask more questions!
 
So..

If I understand all Im readin, if the power goes out, or the return pump stops the tank will only drain so far if I plumb it correct. But the sump must hold the normal volume plus the extra that will drain down right? How do you tell what the correct water level needs to be?

I see you can buy a kit of sorts for the overflows that supposidly has all you need in it. I wonder if its cheaper to buy the pieces at lowes or the kit?

Can you plug the holes and do the sump/overflow later for cost reasons?

And any thoughts on sand vs crushed coral? I planned to put sand in the new tank, since I have a goby and like the look. Sand seems hard to clean when you do water changes and syphon some out. Hard not to suck up lots of sand.
 
If I understand all Im readin, if the power goes out, or the return pump stops the tank will only drain so far if I plumb it correct? - yep, why it is better to have the drains or the overflows at the top of the tank rather than at the bottom.

But the sump must hold the normal volume plus the extra that will drain down right? - correct. How do you tell what the correct water level needs to be? When you fill it don't have the pumps running. Get the tank filled to the overflow line, put enough water in to fill the sump how you want it to be at its maximum. Turn on the pump, the sump level should go down as the water enters the drains. When it stops it goes back to the way you had it. The taller the sump, (still have to cover the pump intake at the low point), the better really, and the bigger the better so you don't have to be to exact with water levels.

I see you can buy a kit of sorts for the overflows that supposidly has all you need in it. I wonder if its cheaper to buy the pieces at lowes or the kit? Always cheaper to buy at lowes, but I would check the tractor supply co. near you if you can for a cheap utility setup. If you want something nice like krish has, you might be better off buying it in the classifieds here. They can be expensive at a local store, and the parts are pretty expensive, thick acrylic isn't cheap. Some of the other sponsors could probably hook you up.

Can you plug the holes and do the sump/overflow later for cost reasons?
yeah, but once you have the pump and it is setup it is done. Once it is setup there is not additional cost really with a refugium except a 20w light. I think they cost around $15 a year to run in electricity. You would need a pump anyway in the tank. You can get those cheap at a place like lowes, they have submersible pond pumps. Got a friend that uses them and they work fine.
 
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Ah that makes more sense on how much water to put in.

My tank is the 75 all glass with the predrilled megaflow.
The holes are in the bottom.
How do I tell what size bulkheads to use? Measure the
holes or are they standard?


I had planned to make a sump out of an old tank.
The one I planned to use is too tall. Its actually a 29 tall. I want to use my current skimmer for now on it. So we decided to get a smaller tank/sump.

I have a 20 gallon but its cracked so I was going to check
the thrift store for something. I can use a tupperware container to start with too.

I have an extra pump from my pond I was going to use to start. Its either a 500 or 600 gph.

I've done alot of plumbing for my pond and such and
I can see from the kit pictures how it should be layed out, sort of but how high do you have the drain one? Is there a rule of thumb so to speak?

Once I had the sump stuff figured out, I was going to add a shelf for the stand. I've been looking at pics of other peoples layouts to get good ideas.
 
the overflow drain? Pretty much near the top, I got them like 1 1/2 inch from the top. THe hole os on the bottom of the tank? Is there an overflow around the drain?
 
if you have two holes on the bottom inside the megaover flow then u have to put in a durso standpipe or something of that nature. Also u have to put the return pipe in the same place and make sure to put the anti-siphon holes lol. and good luck with the build.
 
Well, I know you have received some great ideas from the kind folks here, but I will throw my 2 cents in too.

Think about and decide what size skimmer you want. If it is an in sump skimmer that will determine the minimum dimensions for the sump (I know this because I had to shoe horn a skimmer into my 30 gallon sump). While you are at it check the height clearances too. If the skimmer is in-sump then you will need to able to get it in and out for cleaning.

If you are going to have a refugium I would suggest it be separate from the sump. Yes, people have them as part of the sump, but in a tank that fits under a 75 you will not have much room for a proper refugium so it might be more headache than it is worth. I would suggest a separate tank/tub for a refugium.

figure out all the stuff you plan to put in the sump before you make any decisions. Things I can think of right away include:
  • skimmer
  • auto top off
  • PH/ORP probes
  • carbon
  • filter sock
  • heater(s)
  • return pump
  • phosban reactor, feed pump, plumbing
  • thermometer

I guess all I am saying is think it through, doodle on paper, plan, replan and just make sure it all fits. There is nothing worse than having to replace a sump while the reef is running.
 
if you have two holes on the bottom inside the megaover flow then u have to put in a durso standpipe or something of that nature. Also u have to put the return pipe in the same place and make sure to put the anti-siphon holes lol. and good luck with the build.

Yes, that is exactly what I have. Where do the anti-siphon holes go?

I was looking at kits you can get like this:
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=12078&prodid=23429&catid=1286

and seeing about getting the parts cheaper at Lowes.
 

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