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moortim

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I am looking for some information about Tangs. I have a 55gal FOWLR that I am on the edge of going reef with and I want to put a tang in it to help with algae. The more I read about them, the more I am noticing how big they get. The questions I have are: Is there a type of tang that stays smaller (or grows slowly) and will be happy for years in my tank? Or do I just have to accept that I will have a fish that will grow out of my tank and I will have to sell at some point?
My intentions with this tank are to have mostly LPS and clams. Someday I will go SPS but probably in a different tank. Which type of tang would be recommended? Are there any other things that I am missing about taking care of a tang?

Tim
 
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dood i'm not sure what tangs would stay smaller since i've seen that most of them are in big tanks... i was gonna say the mimic tang but i think they still need at least 75 gals.
One thing you could do is get a baby tang like a small baby hippo tang but still no matter what later you would have to up grade your tank ;) .
If you get the tang make sure you have a quarantine tank ready to go dood.
 
What type of algae?

Your best options are usually not going to come from adding animals for control with the possible exception of an urchin (Diadema specifically). Heavy export (water changes/wet skimming/macro algae harvesting) and being mindful of what's imported (food types/water source/additives) are your key means of erradication. Manual removal of the algae also helps as it removes the fuel sources with it. Phosphates and nitrates being your main culprits. Water flow and chemistry are also part of the game as they will inhibit many types of algae growths from gaining ground or taking hold in the first place.

As far as a tang goes, there are really none that I would recommend for a tank this size. I would focus on the above instead.

How about posting a rundown of the tank set up, history, water parameters and current inhabitants?

Cheers
Steve
 
Not that I condone it, but I "got away" with putting a foxface rabbitfish in my 55. IMVHO, they are the best teleost for taking out nuisance algae (that is reef safe, stays relatively small, etc...). Their diet seems to be a bit more diverse in captive systems, but can be real stress balls sometimes...

Just a couple of pennies

Take er easy
Scott T.
 
spongebob lover said:
Steve what do you mean by manual removal of the algae?
or how do you do that? sorry for the question.
Pull it out by hand, syphon and/or use a bristle type brush to scrape it out. How really depends on what your removing.

Cheers
Steve
 
ScottT1980 said:
Not that I condone it, but I "got away" with putting a foxface rabbitfish in my 55.
They are a great herbavor to be sure but they're care level/space requirements are pretty much the same as a tangs and size wise about the same as well.

No lecture intended though :cool:

Cheers
Steve
 
steve-s said:
They are a great herbavor to be sure but they're care level/space requirements are pretty much the same as a tangs and size wise about the same as well.

No lecture intended though :cool:

Cheers
Steve


Agree 100%
 
Ok lets see if I can clear up my intentions here.

How about a little history on my tank:
I bought it back in November used from a guy that did everything wrong. He had a bad mix of livestock: firetail goby, sebae anemone(which was almost clear), 8 inch Sailfin Tang that had lateral line disease bad, tomato clown, a Saddle Valentini Puffer, and a couple other small, timid fish . After I moved the tank I went about cleaning up the mess. I sold most of the fish (unfortunately the Tang and anemone didn't make it) and added some lighting (he only had a 130w pc hood with 2year old bulbs). When I first did measurements phosphate and nitrate levels were off the charts and calcuim was somewhere around 600ppm. He had very little live rock and most of the tank decorations were old coral pieces that he picked up from somewhere (I doubt at a LFS). Needless to say the algae he had was incredible!

The changes I made were to replace as much of the water as I could after the initial move and have been doing a weekly 10g water change since with RODI from a local supermarket. I don't have a TDS meter yet so I am having to trust that the water is pure. I have been mixing the salt and letting it age for 4-6 days before adding. I replaced the crushed coral substrate with a shallow sand bed and am just finishing my diy 29 gal sump/refugium. I also threw out the junk that was in the tank in the form of decorations, turns out there were about 3 pieces of actual live rock. The lighting now consists of 240w pc with an upgrade to 2x 175w MH with 2x 65w pc actinics going to happen in the next few weeks once I finish building my hood.
My water parameters now are:
PH: 8.2
alk: 9
ammonia, nitirite, nitrate, phosphate: 0 or very close to it.
sg: 1.024
calcium: 400ppm

The tank is looking 100% better than it was back in November and everything is doing just fine. I only have 3 fish right now, left over from the beginning: a scooter dragonet, a rainfords goby, and a small green goby that has yet to be identified (when I get a chance I will post pictures of it on here and see if anyone knows what it is). As for inverts I have a coral banded shrimp, 3 emerald crabs and some snails. I am finally ready with this tank to start fresh on the things I really want.

On a side note I didn't jump into buying a used tank because I wanted a cheap way in to the hobby, I have been doing African Cichlids for years and worked in a LFS during high school. When I saw this tank I also saw an opportunity to move to salt and help a suffering tank recover.

This brings me to the current topic, I think I mislead people by saying I wanted a tang to take care of algae. I don't have much algae anymore, I just like tangs and it happens that they like algae. If I do get one (which I am not sure I will) then it can eat whatever type of algae I might have that it likes. I will definitely feed it according to what is good for it.

Eventually I want to have a couple clams and a flame scallop among other things so when I think my tank is ready I will go that direction. If a tang works into the other stuff I want then great, if not I will wait until I have the correct setup.

So back to my original question, is there a tang that will grow more slowly than others or stays smaller that will be happy in a 55 for at least a couple years? I will have a 100+ gallon tank in the works by then.

Tim
 
moortim said:
So back to my original question, is there a tang that will grow more slowly than others or stays smaller that will be happy in a 55 for at least a couple years?
Short answer is no. Most fish in this group will get pretty much ½ their adult size in the first year if properly cared for. Fish stunting by any means will typically shorten the overall life span of the fish at the very least or more commonly ongoing health concerns. The MHLLE experienced with the sailfin as a prime example. Sorry ... :(

At the risk of you hating me completely (
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), I also think you should read this tidbit on flame scallops....
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/july2002/toonen.htm

Cheers
Steve
 
well this is what i'd do.
i'd first plan on the future tank and once i have the tank, i'd buy a baby and when i mean baby very baby and once the other future tank finished the cycle you could introduce him to your tank.
 
Thanks for the article on flame scallops, Steve. No I am not going to hate you more, that is the whole point of asking for help, sometimes the advice we get points us in a different direction.:)

Unless someone has some great success story on a tang I will probably wait for a few years until I have a larger tank.
I have been looking into flame scallops for a while as they are probably my favorite reef inhabitant that is available and once I am ready I still plan on going for it. I plan on basing my tank around animals like this one so hopefully it will be a success. Does anyone know of/recommend a book about them? I am also looking for a good book on clams.

Tim
 
spongebob lover said:
well this is what i'd do.
i'd first plan on the future tank and once i have the tank, i'd buy a baby and when i mean baby very baby and once the other future tank finished the cycle you could introduce him to your tank.

I figure my future big tank is 3-4 years out right now so it would probably be the best idea to wait for a while.

Tim
 
Moortim, would you be interested in buying a nice acrylic 100 gallon tank/stand/live rock, relatively inexpensive? I might even part trade for your 55 (not that I need one). PM me if you are interested.
Thanks!
 

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