Threads getting banned??? WHY!!!

[Salsaking]

I'm curious why some moderators that live so far away are canceling threads???? Can you guys please answer that? Reef Frontiers started here in the northwest yet MODERATORS from around the country are taking these threads down? Can anyone answer my question? Or this going to get banned as well!

Sorry, a little confused on the Red bug thread that has been going around! People are tired of getting these little critters!
why cant we talk about it! We are all tired of getting these little critters! Time and Time again we have to keep doing the red bug treatments! Allot of people are tired of it as well! The big discussion at the meeting last week is that they need to be controlled as the bugs are nuisance and should kept under control and not spread! They keep getting past from tank to tank! Again, why are the threads getting cancelled that talk about red bugs? I personnely don't get it! As a business owner I fix the problem and move on! This is a problem that comes back and back again. Lets fix it people!!

Chuck are you out there? Why are these threads getting cancelled?

Please fill me in and the rest of the people getting there threads cancelled?

 

[MtnDewMan]

Yes I am out there and I agree with what is taking place. This site is not a northwest site, it is a site for everyone around the country and the world.

I agree that red bugs are a big item, but the way things are being handled by some are not constructive and down right childish and made to start flaming.

Topics need to be discussed in a civilized manner without calling people out, without trying to call people out in a round about way either.

Bottom line is, the RF-Staff are here for the good of the site, not for the good of one local area but the good of the entire area we serve.

I am in the northwest however I do not consider this a northwest site one bit.

If you want to discuss things local to your area, there is a forum dedicated to local area reefers that you can discuss things more in a local environment.

 

[MtnDewMan]

Reef Frontiers started here in the northwest yet MODERATORS from around the country are taking these threads down? Can anyone answer my question? Or this going to get banned as well!

If you want to talk about specific items to the northwest region, take it to the Puget Sound Aquarium Society forum to talk about your club events, speakers, and local items.

Here is a link for you to that forum:

http://www.reeffrontiers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=8

Moderators here are from around the country for a reason (and outside the country), because this site serves a far greater area than where you live. And these moderators act in the best interest of this site. Period!!!

 

[Salsaking]

Thank you for clearing it up for me! I really don't care about who or what is being attacked other than I wish we could rid these little suckers from our tanks! Do you know how hard and how much time it takes to rid bugs with 2000 gallon system! Anyway I should be spending time with my kids, instead Im doing a water change every three weeks!

By the way nice job on the sight!

Chuck, finally got a tank set up at home! Remember that fantastic purple peice you had 4 years ago! Finally got a peice from Paul Hamby and looks great in my new tank! If you need a peice he has a large colony now!

Thank you for getting back to me!

How about a thread that finally gets everyone together and gets these little critters under control!

Hope life is treating you well Chuck! Talk to you soon!

Come down anytime you like.

Salsaking

 

[Katchupoy]

I agree with Chuck....

I think (my observation) was its becoming personal.... I think whats happening is like there is a mentality of "who is with me" or "if your not with me then you are against me" kind of thing...

I think this is not healthy. And its not constructive.... I think we should focus on the solution and not the "whos to blame" game.

If there is a thread that going to talk about this... then count me in...

 

[NaH2O]

If you are looking for a thread to discuss red bugs, here ya go. Its from 2004: Red Bugs - Inevitable?

 

[Scooterman]

One thing people don't seem to understand is red bugs, flatworms, ICK & every parasite known or algae received is purchased by the people. If I go out & buy lots of LR & later get Algae or critters I didn't want or go to a LFS & purchase a nice coral & receive flatworms, Is it their fault that you dumped it into your tank? Individual or resale these things happen with anything we purchase, If your going to be a reefer or keeper of fish, It is up to you to learn how to deal with any of this. We suggest QT anything wet, If you don't, beginner or not, then that should be your first lesson as either you didn't learn enough or had disregard of published information, mainly because the person is in too much of a rush to go through the proper procedures. We all deal with algae, or aptasia or flatworms or whatever, it is part of what we love doing & it is our individual responsibility. What isn't tolerated is these individuals calling out others for getting red bugs or other problems, flaming out & threads going way off RF topics, this isn't what we're here for. There is no reason to argue these issues or put blame to any one individual period, deal with your issues or take your frustrations to the individual off site.

Nikki posted information on red bugs, we can deal with them in a peaceful manner, just like any other issue but finger pointing won't be tolerated.

 

[MtnDewMan]

I agree with Chuck....

I think (my observation) was its becoming personal.... I think whats happening is like there is a mentality of "who is with me" or "if your not with me then you are against me" kind of thing...

This is what I have been getting out of the recent posts as well. People veer quickly off the topic of solution but onto the topic of who gave them to me and "how dare they".

Quite honestly, I find it hard to discuss a topic intelligently, like red bugs, when people have their signatures and titles such as "I hate red bugs", or "Red bug inspector #1" or "Red bug deputy"

Makes me think it is even more personal than just wanting to discuss the topic for awareness.

And Eric, I do need to check the tank out some time, I bet it is looking awesome

 

[Krish]

One thing people don't seem to understand is red bugs, flatworms, ICK & every parasite known or algae received is purchased by the people. If I go out & buy lots of LR & later get Algae or critters I didn't want or go to a LFS & purchase a nice coral & receive flatworms, Is it their fault that you dumped it into your tank? Individual or resale these things happen with anything we purchase, If your going to be a reefer or keeper of fish, It is up to you to learn how to deal with any of this. We suggest QT anything wet, If you don't, beginner or not, then that should be your first lesson as either you didn't learn enough or had disregard of published information, mainly because the person is in too much of a rush to go through the proper procedures. We all deal with algae, or aptasia or flatworms or whatever, it is part of what we love doing & it is our individual responsibility. What isn't tolerated is these individuals calling out others for getting red bugs or other problems, flaming out & threads going way off RF topics, this isn't what we're here for. There is no reason to argue these issues or put blame to any one individual period, deal with your issues or take your frustrations to the individual off site.

Nikki posted information on red bugs, we can deal with them in a peaceful manner, just like any other issue but finger pointing won't be tolerated.

Nicely said Scooty! My thoughts exactly on the whole thing. One thing I never really understood was seeing threads where people complained about receiving red bugs etc and not taking the blame, but putting it on someone else. You take risks with this hobby sometimes and if you don't quarentine, then you can't really cast the blame on anyone.

 

[Scooterman]

I've gulped a few times myself when I broke the rules, I had & have daleth with many issues. It cost me lots of money, discussed me on occasions but I can't blame the LFS or individuals, yes I didn't know that maybe at the time but learned that there is way more to all this & I sill learn, get corrected & deal with issues i have on a daily bases. If anyone doubt this, go read my showcase thread, for every success, I've had 6 failures LOL

 

[salmonslayer]

NaH2O, WOW looks like last time we talked about this was 04-30-2006. Two years ago.
I have to agree with all said above. Its clear on how I fill about this topic, some good and some bad.
There has to be a way we can talk about this and take care of this ever plaguing pest that sucks the life out of our corals and spreads like mad. Pointing fingers and someone thinking "hey they are talking about me" may happen if we all don't do are part to help controll this problem.
I hope posting this will not start a fire. Happy reef-in to all.
PS Chuck I changed my signature

 

[NaH2O]

Yes, it was quite a while ago that we discussed red bugs. I think it would be safe to read through the thread, add your comments and revive it. There are no rules against dusting off an old thread to give it some new life. Let's just keep the personal attacks out of it. It is quite obvious (based on the date the thread was started back in 2004) that red bugs were a problem way back then. I've said it before and I'll say it again....red bugs are a piece of cake compared to acro eating flatworms.

 

[roscoe]

Yeah it is clear as daylight the blame is on you or me! Not the person who has red bugs. I agree we have RB problem in the NW but man own up to your NEGLEGENCE it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to take the proper procedure so you don't introduce it to your own system. I have red bugs (YES it is MY FAULT) but I plan on getting all the corals I want in my tank 1st, then do a RB treatment instead of treating over and over like I have in the past. Any ways this RB thing is getting waaaayyyy old now so lets be more contructive about the problem.

Sarang

 

[dailydriven911]

Thanks to Roscoe I no longer have rb! Thanks for the interceptor my friend!

 

[MtnDewMan]

Stop it! Your message tells it all. Inflame the situation, then say let it go.

This is exactly what we are talking about. Research the red bugs, know what you are receiving, the tank you are getting it from, if in doubt treat your coral prior to introduction just like you would quarantine a fish. Don't post just to inflame the situation.

This discussion tends to be related to people in the NW, if it is not constructive to the entire community, I will move it to the local forum and keep it away from everyone all the bickering.

 

[roscoe]

Chuck I was not trying to inflame the thread I was just stating that people in general needs to own up to their responsibility and not blame others for their own neglience. Sorry if it was taken the wrong way. By any means I was not trying to cause another spat about this. Again I am sorry Chuck!

 

[Katchupoy]

Chuck, thank you for being unbiased on the comments you are giving us even though you are a good friend of most people here in the NW specially to those who are personally affected by this.

Having said that... maybe we should have a topic that we can focus on and make sure that we have a solution to the issue.

Suggestion topic... How do you quarantine your corals? What kind of step by step process do you do? Do you have a new approach in doing things as compared before?

I have heard that Barrier Reef does a very good job at doing this... maybe we can ask them to chime in how they do their procedure?

Bottomline is, so we can learn from this problem therefore minimizing the damage being done both to coral and to people (because of flaming)...

 

[mojoreef]

I really don't care about who or what is being attacked other than I wish we could rid these little suckers from our tanks!

And in this we have the crux of the problem with internet posting (not trying to pick on ya Salsa) Sometimes its better to actually care about the whos and whats that are being attacked. Because once that begins logic is usually the first one to leave the room. It would be easy for me to look at any members tank or in the history of their tank and point out mistakes/bad practices and so on, just as anyone could do it to mine (lord only knows ). It always boils down to ones approach, if their intent is truely to fix an issue or to lend a hand....well then thats a easy high road to take and we all benefit. The low road..well that one has a bunch of potholes and stuff and its easy to drive off it and once you have driven off the path well..anything can happen??

Anyway redbugs are just one of a million pests/parasites and so on that you can subject you tank (and its inhabitants) to, so I think is always best to assume wat ever you get is going to have something on it, in it or swimming around it. QUARRANTINE what you buy and it allows you the time needed to investigate and treat it as needed. This should be rule number 1 for any person entering the hobby......even for the seasoned vets.


Mike

 

[Katchupoy]

Mojoreef,

Its been a while, hope everything is working with you and your tank... Havent seen you around lately.... Im glad that I crossed thread again with you....

 

[NaH2O]

I agree we have RB problem in the NW

I just wanted to comment on this statement, for everyone following the thread. Parasites, like red bugs, are not only a problem in the NorthWest.....they are a problem everywhere. The thread I linked to earlier was from almost 4 years ago, so you can see how long red bugs have been an issue (they were a problem before I even started that thread). Most importantly, they aren't a localized problem to certain areas of the country. They can be found all over the place, even if you are trading with someone on the east coast. It would be irresponsible for anyone to think a coral they buy or trade is parasite free. Remember the lesson Mike Brady taught us in The Brady Bunch episode when Greg bought his first car.... Caveat Emptor (lolol, if you understand what I just said, then you're as old as me! :lol