What Brand of Coral food to use?
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Snowboarda42
Cirrhitichthys falco
No the red algae is not crucial. Alot of people actually even skip the spirulina and nori and have great success.
What IS important though, is the L glutamine you need to mix in and the SeaChem ReefPlus you dose 1 hour prior.
MarineTeng
Reef Padawan
where does the L glutamine come in, is that a seperate thing you have to add that is not on the recipe list i have, i know you have to add amino acids through various products, Seachem's ReefPlus being one of them, is L glutamine not in most of these sort of products?
DonW
R.I.P.
The Gln is what really does all the work. You need to be careful with Gln and mixing it with over the counter additives. Most use glutimate which should not be used with glutamine.
You can actually leave out all the other seafood except the oysters. The other are just lower protien seafoods. The others also do not blend to a consistancy to feed sps if thats what your trying to do.
Be careful........
Don
Snowboarda42
Cirrhitichthys falco
The L Glutamine is mixed in with the food you feed the corals. In summary:
1 hour before lights off, dose recommended ReefPlus.
1 hour after (lights off), dose pappone (which has all ingredients and L Glutamine)
Lots of people use the powder, or the Capsules. Just make sure you get it all blended up nice, otherwise the Unblended chunks will burn corals = Bad Times.
1 hour before lights off, dose recommended ReefPlus.
1 hour after (lights off), dose pappone (which has all ingredients and L Glutamine)
Lots of people use the powder, or the Capsules. Just make sure you get it all blended up nice, otherwise the Unblended chunks will burn corals = Bad Times.
MarineTeng
Reef Padawan
is there any reason it would be bad to feed/dose pappone with the lights on?
so L glutamine is something seperate you have to buy then? seperate from reefplus? sorry, just need clarification
DonW, and the oysters... so why is the recipe not all oyster rather than having things that sps can' use, is it just the most expensive or something? or do the others add a more balanced diet to the things that do eat them
so L glutamine is something seperate you have to buy then? seperate from reefplus? sorry, just need clarification
DonW, and the oysters... so why is the recipe not all oyster rather than having things that sps can' use, is it just the most expensive or something? or do the others add a more balanced diet to the things that do eat them
Snowboarda42
Cirrhitichthys falco
Yes you dose the reefplus an hour before feeding the pappone which has L Glutamine in it. Yes they are seperate, L Glutamine is actually a muscle building suppliment containing a bunch of different amino acids which the corals use. The ReefPlus opens your corals up for feeding, which you do at night because thats when most coral feed. Also, you take your Skimmer collection cup out but leave the skimmer on until the morning, which is when you would replace the cup.
DonW
R.I.P.
No. Glutamine is one (single) amino acid.
Why the other seafood? Well that would be for the fish I'm guessing since its not going to give the corals anything that the oysters are not giving.
The problem with this like many other systems is the use without the understanding.
Don
little fishes
Well-known member
Hi MarineTang,
I have been looking at coral food options for a while. I will summerize some of the things I have found and maybe it will help you- then again maybe not but here it goes:
There are actually many available food sources that are in a particle size range that corals, including sps, can ingest. This paper (http://jeb.biologists.org/cgi/content/full/207/9/1461) would seem to suggest that Stylophora can ingest particles up to at least the size of Artemia nauplli around 450 microns
In this paper (http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...d=137179&md5=1e41113e8293d65eb186507197f2bacc) Acropora, Montipora, Pocillipora, and Porities were fed small particulate matter between 10-100 microns and ingestion and incorporation of the particles was investigated. All corals ingested the particles and all but the porites increased feeding rates with particle concentraition.
Most commercially available phytoplanktons are 2-15 microns, but are not generally a preferred food source for SPS- will feed clams, as well as many polychaete worms and copepods who may in turn feed the corals directly or with there gametes and young.
DTs oyster eggs are 45 microns- I think a good choice to feed corals nutritionally and size wise
Rotifers are generally 130-340 microns- should be enriched-good size though
Newly hatched brine is 400-500 microns- not a very good nutritional profile, stylo will eat it and probably others will too, but will they thrive on it???
Cyclopeeze is about 800 microns- probably to large for most SPS- however good choice nutritionally for LPS, fish, anything that will eat them IMO.
I am always looking for a food with a particle size of 10-400ish microns to try. I am particularly interested in dry commercially available coral feeds for the convenience, and new variety in general. I avoid commercial feeds with phyto as a main ingredient since I grow my own fresh. I also avoid products with to many fillers, or that don’t list there ingredients or size ranges. Also I look for foods high in HUFAs and AA rather then supplementing them with food soaks and such. Golden pearls come in many sizes that you can choose but have fillers like whey that I am unsure of? I think my favorite pick right now for a convenient coral food is Coral Frenzy. It is 53-1700 microns according to the manufacturer and has good ingredients-I think it should feed a wide variety of corals. However, I still feed various fresh and frozen foods too.
Hope that was a little helpful
Cheers,
Tracy
I have been looking at coral food options for a while. I will summerize some of the things I have found and maybe it will help you- then again maybe not but here it goes:
There are actually many available food sources that are in a particle size range that corals, including sps, can ingest. This paper (http://jeb.biologists.org/cgi/content/full/207/9/1461) would seem to suggest that Stylophora can ingest particles up to at least the size of Artemia nauplli around 450 microns
In this paper (http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...d=137179&md5=1e41113e8293d65eb186507197f2bacc) Acropora, Montipora, Pocillipora, and Porities were fed small particulate matter between 10-100 microns and ingestion and incorporation of the particles was investigated. All corals ingested the particles and all but the porites increased feeding rates with particle concentraition.
Most commercially available phytoplanktons are 2-15 microns, but are not generally a preferred food source for SPS- will feed clams, as well as many polychaete worms and copepods who may in turn feed the corals directly or with there gametes and young.
DTs oyster eggs are 45 microns- I think a good choice to feed corals nutritionally and size wise
Rotifers are generally 130-340 microns- should be enriched-good size though
Newly hatched brine is 400-500 microns- not a very good nutritional profile, stylo will eat it and probably others will too, but will they thrive on it???
Cyclopeeze is about 800 microns- probably to large for most SPS- however good choice nutritionally for LPS, fish, anything that will eat them IMO.
I am always looking for a food with a particle size of 10-400ish microns to try. I am particularly interested in dry commercially available coral feeds for the convenience, and new variety in general. I avoid commercial feeds with phyto as a main ingredient since I grow my own fresh. I also avoid products with to many fillers, or that don’t list there ingredients or size ranges. Also I look for foods high in HUFAs and AA rather then supplementing them with food soaks and such. Golden pearls come in many sizes that you can choose but have fillers like whey that I am unsure of? I think my favorite pick right now for a convenient coral food is Coral Frenzy. It is 53-1700 microns according to the manufacturer and has good ingredients-I think it should feed a wide variety of corals. However, I still feed various fresh and frozen foods too.
Hope that was a little helpful
Cheers,
Tracy
MarineTeng
Reef Padawan
hmm, well i will want to avoid the larger stuff for the most part since i don't have fish and will probably get left somewhere in my tank, as for taking off the skimmer cup, what if mine is a HOB won't it overflow onto my carpet? i this case should i just turn it off?
MarineTeng
Reef Padawan
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-01/totm/index.php
so the HGH mentioned in this article caption underneath the first photo, that's not the L glutamine is it?
so the HGH mentioned in this article caption underneath the first photo, that's not the L glutamine is it?
little fishes
Well-known member
HGH is Human Growth Hormone- not L glutamine. Would not go down the HGH road myself- even if I could get ahold of it.
MarineTeng
Reef Padawan
ok, i just making sure, since mentioned earlier, l gultamine was a mussel builder or what not, so i thought it might be a growth hormone
