Zoas after Iodine dip

[Boomer]

Jack

Just to be a devils advocate, maybe you are one of these guys

First off with the rising popularity of this hobby there are more and more self proclaimed experts talking about what they have heard, or read from posters on boards they know any background about. You have to take 90% of these things posted on the boards with a grain of salt.


You seem to come off as a self-proclaimed expert in this thread.

Never has there been a single scientific study published that shows any benefit of dosing Iodine into the home reef aquarium.

You need to watch what you say, you are digging yourself a hole. Or are going to try and claim this is not scientific, as it is not in a peer-reviewed journal

Iodine in Reef Tanks 2: Effects on Macroalgae Growth
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/april2003/chem.htm

I would bet that 99% of the hobbyists do not know that. And about 98% of them are "experts".

There have been about zero studies on most things in this hobby in a reef tank. And where in this thread was dosing a reef tank with iodine brought up ? I would take that bet they do know there have not been any or hardly any tests done. That is one of the biggest complaints in this hobby no real testing, so it is more like 99% the other way

And keep in mind that the SG amongst the coral reefs are higher then 95% of the home aquarium

Base on what ? Most reefers try to keep them a 1.026 or 35 ppt. Most coral reefs are not higher than most reef tanks, let alone 95% of them. You need to look at a world map of salinity on coral reefs and some of the forum polls on salinity.

You seem to throw things aside that others have said and then ask for data. Where is your data to back you up, other than your opinon.

 

[matts125]

I agree Boomer!
I really did not appreciate VHO guy hi jacking my thread with his noncense speach!
I was just upset about my lost and thought I would tell people about my experience.

Thanks for all the kind words, and (not so kind) words!

Matt

 

[VHO Guy]

Boomer come on man are you kidding me?

First off for the most part only SPS keepers with auto top offs keep their salinity at 1.026. And what percentage are they in the total population of reefers. After all what would happen if you ran a 75 gallon tank with 2 250watt hqis and left for the day? How many gallons of water do you think you will lose (lets say you have a 61 gallons total water volume) and where will your salinity be then? 1.028+

But here is a quote from SeaWorld, you might have heard of them

The proper range for a marine aquarium is 1.020 to 1.026.

So how does someone who does not run an auto top off keep their aquarium right at 1.026

Here is another from aquacraft.net

Most marine fish do better in an aquarium with slightly lower specific gravity vs. their natural habitat. Reef invertebrates from the same ocean do better at a specific gravity similar to their natural habitat. If marine fish come from an environment which has a SG of 1.024, they will do better in an aquarium with a SG of 1.021 - 1.022. This basic guideline of lowering SG about 0.002 - 0.003 vs. natural habitat generally can be used for most marine fish.

How about Fosters and Smith ( I dislike them)

Recommended Specific
Gravity Levels
Reef Aquarium: 1.023 to 1.025
FOWLR Aquarium: 1.020 to 1.025

This is from a simple google search I really do not feel like dedicating anymore time to prove your ludicrous statements ludicrous

Except for your posting of an article showing the benefits of Iodine dosing towards macroalgae. Wow that would be great if a reef aquarium was filled with macroalgae. Thanks for the link!!

But I do agree with you on one thing, I am no expert and only started my 29 gallon FOWLR 2 months ago

 

[LakeEd]

VHO Guy,

I think you missed the intent of this thread here, and people are only hoping to get it back on-track again. We are concerned with Matt's experience, and tossing out ideas in hope of finding help.

Reef Frontiers is a Froum where people help one another with their experiences and knowledge. We have some awesome people here, just like Boomer, who have extensive knowledge in a specific area, and we are lucky enough to have them willing to share that knowledge with us.

I'm sure Matt has appreciated your comments in reguards to his Zoo's, and will probably use some of that information the next time he has a colony he feels may require dipping.

Right now, we should be focused here on this thread in listening to how his colony is pulling through what has happened, not on any attempts at proving who is right or wrong.

 

[matts125]

Thanks Ed!
I dont want people to think that I am a beginner in this stuff either because I know a lot more then some may think. I spend countless hrs reading and educating in this hobby for me this is half the fun.
I didnt ask about this dip because I knew nothing about it but really just wanted other people input as Ed has mentioned.
I by no means am a fool.

Thanks for the comments guys and I will post some before and after pictures soon!!!

Matt

 

[VHO Guy]

Ed I could not agree more, and this is why I asked very important questions that I needed answered before I could have shared my experiences. I have been propagating corals for years and have had every problem in the book when it comes to zoos. And I have also tried every known method and some that I made up myself in order to cure these plagues.

About 6 months ago I was running experiments on the white spot disease that was plaguing the industry. And you know what I found a cure. A simple cure that identifies the true problem for what it was.

But anyway that is neither here nor there but let me post some pics of my first frag tanks from years ago.

And keep in mind that I never was or wil ever be like the chop shops of today. These days all you have to do is buy a big colony, break it into smaller pieces and then you can rip off fellow reefers. People need to realize that fragging does not always mean propagating.

 

[mfinn]

Wow this thread took a left turn.

Like I said before, I do feel bad if I said something that was wrong, but I stand by what I said. I use Lugols in that dosage and have not had problems like what you did Matt.
Why that happened I don't know, maybe they were stressed already and the stress from the freshwater/iodine did what it did.
I do know one thing,,, you would have lost 100% of all your zoanthids if you hadn't done something.

The freshwater/lugols dip is a benefit, and many, many people on many different forums use it.

Matt as a fellow zoanthid collector and living close together, we need to check out each others setup.

 

[Brenden]

Luke? Is that you?

 

[mattseattle]

Brenden - that is ironic as I just thought the same thing.

 

[MtnDewMan]

Quite a left turn. VHO guy, feel free to start your own thread on your concerns and issues. Seems like the thread intended here went way off in the wrong direction than intended. Please do not continue to "hijack" the thread against the thread starters desires. Your wish to argue the merits of treatments are best taken in the chemistry forum if you desire.

 

[matts125]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That is funny!!

 

[matts125]

Thanks Chuck...

Matt

 

[Boomer]

VHO

You are grasping for air

First off for the most part only SPS keepers with auto top offs keep their salinity at 1.026

That is shear nonsense. Most reefers try to keep their SG around .1.025 -1.026. All you have to do is go look at all the polls taken on forums. And many reefrer use auto-top-off are not big on SPS. It has nothing to do with an SPS tank.

How many gallons of water do you think you will lose

What does this have to do with am anything, you said And keep in mind that the SG amongst the coral reefs are higher then 95% of the home aquarium.

Seaworld !!!!! That quote means that is what reefers have their SG at.

Aquacraft !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do not even get me started here or there will be a war !

Foster and Smith !!! Since when do reefers go by them?

This is from a simple google search I really do not feel like dedicating anymore time to prove your ludicrous statements ludicrous

We all know here now who is ludicrous. Why did you not do a reef forum search on SG and see what you find. On a recent poll 55% was 1.025-1.026. That is a far cry from your claim of 5 %. 95 % of the reefs on this world are between 34-37 ppt. And that is where +74 % of the reefers keep their SG. And finally on SG. It is obvious you no not understand SG at all, as some of the SG values given in the range of 1.022-1.024, #1 are FOT tanks and #2 some of these given values are for seawater at 60F, and oceanographic std, which corrected to reef temps is 1.024-1.026.

Posting a Goggles search on SG and what reefers keep their SG at is comical, sorry And Anthony will tell you the same thing.

Except for your posting of an article showing the benefits of Iodine

You said there where none Never has there been a single scientific study published


But I do agree with you on one thing, I am no expert

Then why are you pretending to be one ? You are talking pure gibberish.

Jack I have been in this hobby 40 years so don't be telling me what people keep their SG at. I also run two chem forums on reef tanks, to include the one here on RF and am a staff member on a third. See that link on my sig

But I do agree with you on one thing, I am no expert and only started my 29 gallon FOWLR 2 months ago

Then stop it

You may want to look at some of our articles and learn something, instead of digging yourself into a bigger hole.


http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=102605

Please pay attention to this one. In short, you do not know what you are talking about....sorry

Reef Aquarium Water Parameters (a summary general article)
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-05/rhf/index.htm


Yah, please bring this to my chem forum

It will be my last post on this thread

 

[MtnDewMan]

Quite a left turn. VHO guy, feel free to start your own thread on your concerns and issues. Seems like the thread intended here went way off in the wrong direction than intended. Please do not continue to "hijack" the thread against the thread starters desires. Your wish to argue the merits of treatments are best taken in the chemistry forum if you desire.

I guess when I put this post up, this discussion would be moved out of this thread like I asked, regardless of who was posting!!!! Please take this discussion elsewhere.

 

[VHO Guy]

What ever boomer answer me this. How does someone keep their salinity at 1.026 without an auto top off?

Then estimate how many people have auto top offs?

Do you think people running nanos have their salinity at 1.026. Yes or No will do.

Do you think it would be hard to keep a 55 gallon tank or smaller (with out an auto topoff) at 1.026. Yes or No will do

Please no links, no macroalgae studies just the questions i have asked. After all you have been at this for 40 years these questions should be VERY SIMPLE to answer.

 

[MtnDewMan]

Boomer when someone say they keep their aquarium at 1.025-1.026 that does not mean 1.026.

STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Krish]

Boomer when someone say they keep their aquarium at 1.025-1.026 that does not mean 1.026.

I really think the subject should be dropped here because it would suck for Matt to have his thread closed down as a result. Quite simple to continue on a new thread

 

[Curtswearing]

I really think the subject should be dropped here because it would suck for Matt to have his thread closed down as a result. Quite simple to continue on a new thread

I agree Krish.

 

[spongebob lover]

What ever boomer answer me this. How does someone keep their salinity at 1.026 without an auto top off?

Then estimate how many people have auto top offs?

Do you think people running nanos have their salinity at 1.026. Yes or No will do.

Do you think it would be hard to keep a 55 gallon tank or smaller (with out an auto topoff) at 1.026. Yes or No will do

Please no links, no macroalgae studies just the questions i have asked. After all you have been at this for 40 years these questions should be VERY SIMPLE

dood you don't wanna get the boss mad so it's officially dropped.

Matt- how are the zoos doing today??
i don't think i remember this (and i'm to lazy to go back and read ) but did you put them in a qt or just back into your tank?
I'm sure it'll just take a few months for them to grow back all over the place

 

[matts125]

Gaby, it will definatley take some time to grow back.
they are doing a little better each day, however my alien eye rock is now completely gone, I had 20 polyps now none. I hope to find some more of these because they are some of my favorites..

Matt