I havn't noticed the new moderators "driving anybody away". They are only doing what they are supposed to do by reminding people of the rules and enforcing them.
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Hmmm. As far as driving away members, that isn't something any of us are "working on." No one wants to drive any members away. Nor do I think anyone is feeling any "heat from any bad apples."
We are simply trying to find ways to improve Reef Frontiers and are seeking suggestions from all of Reef Frontiers' wonderful members. So far, we're getting a lot of great feedback and suggestions, which is exactly what we need!
jrgilles
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I disagree. A lor of people who are just getting in to the hobby are so greatful for help, and some of the older guys would help out too. Paypal donations are easy to do, even if its just a buck. I think you'd be surprised.
I'm a bit discouraged by what seems to be a consensus that RF is a right rather than a privilege. The owners have been doing this service for many years and could easily shut down right now and add a few years to their own lives without the stress of RF. Well Mike would have to loose a few pounds first.But seriously the owners are only attempting to make a good thing better without taking food out of the mouths of their own families.
agree. You all have my thanks
I was talking to thefilterguys.com when I was working on my water filtration. They said they had contacted the site about being a sponser a couple of times (this was maybe 6 months ago), but never heard back. Wanted me to let you guys know they are interested if you want another sponser
bigblue141
Salty Squid
As I said in the other post, initially I would not of paid for use of the forum, about 90 days or so into it I decided I wanted to be a paid member and the option was gone. Not saying you need to charge a ton, but I would be willing to pay ~ $30 a year for the site usage.
Anyway, I guess a simplified version of what I'm thinking is (all depending on cost/billing of the actual classifieds program):
1. Set up premium membership for OTHER reasons, and take some of the money gained and apply it to the classifieds software.
2. Start a thread asking for Paypal DONATIONS to help fund it. Totally not manditory. I bet you'll be surprised how many people will throw a couple bucks your way to help cover the overhead of this. There are a lot of users here.... you can put me down for 10 bucks. Might even get more cash to put towards it by asking people nicely to help out than by instituting a charge, as many people are resistant to that.
Anyway, just my 2 cents
I "third" this as someone has already "seconded" it. I would also donate. If there was a chat option, I think even more people would be willing to donate for a "live life line" for emergencies and whatnot.
It would be nice to have a "Pay it Forward" section to remain in the forums so all members can partake in gifting. Just because someone is new to the site does not mean they are new to reefing
I would do it. New members will probably be relunctant to do so, but once the benifits of this site are learned and it's discovered that ya'll do this as a service for us, rather than to make a paycheck, you'll notice more and more people donating as this is indeed a worthy cause.
Krish
RF STAFF
I agree with Sid...I'd hate to feel I was the reason for making someone leave RF.
We were asked to come here (the new mods) to help out with things as staff presence has been almost absent lately and things were just sliding by the radar. Also, with the increased traffic in the for sale sections bringing it's own set of problems, some new rules had to be put into affect that I guess some didn't like (and even more so that they were actually being enforced for a change). Sorry if anyone felt offended by anything I've done here. It was not done with any disrespect to anyone. I've been a member here for almost 7 years, no-one comes within a mile of posting as much as I do (even in my 2 year absense for personal reasons) which means I really do love this place and just don't want to see it go down the toilet. We aren't going to be able to please everyone so hopefully we can find a happy medium for all.
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iroll253
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I would donate to the tag but not to contribute to a different for sale layout, The donations would be to RF in general. The classifieds as they stand are perfect as a layout. The restrictions are what should be modded.
Yea, like anybody with a BMW shouldn't need to sell anything!:lol: JK
Myteemouse
NOTHING
not looking to stir I know a few people who will never post here again..
"I FEEL" this site is good enough without having a bunch of charges and fee's
not what this site was originally made for
"I FEEL" this site is good enough without having a bunch of charges and fee's
not what this site was originally made for
Unfortunate that they feel that way. Nobody is trying to single somebody out I'm sure. And if they were long time users, they should fully understand the rules and think no differently when dealing with new moderators.
Krish
RF STAFF
Well, sometimes changes aren't for the better. Guess that is what Mojo is trying to figure out with this thread. Nothing is set in stone and if you guys don't like some of the proposed changes, then I'm sure some things will remain.
LOL! :lol: I will give you a free trip to the Bahamas if you can catch me up. All expenses paid
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DonW
R.I.P.
Almost everyone involved including yourself so far has no clue what RF used to be like thanks to Mike and Chuck. It has declined over the years. The new mods are only trying to breath new life into what some may call a dying forum.
Give them a break. Maybe you'll get a chance to see what a great forum it can be. If we are lucky as good as it was when it first started.
Don
jrgilles
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I think RF is awesome and appreciate all the time you guys are putting in to trying to keep it running smooth, while also looking at options to improve and streamline.
I know it can be a pain in the butt job with a lot going on behind the scenes that normal users don't see. So thanks.
Can't keep everyone happy *shrug*
I know it can be a pain in the butt job with a lot going on behind the scenes that normal users don't see. So thanks.
Can't keep everyone happy *shrug*
bigblue141
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I agree with Sid...I'd hate to feel I was the reason for making someone leave RF.
Doing the right thing never seems like it's the popular thing to do. Rules and laws are usually "written in blood" so someone did something to screw it up for the rest of us. Just a thought and thinking outloud here, maybe, just maybe there would be less resistance to changes in the rules if the problem that caused the rule to be implemented was brought out into the open. Some things you can get away with the token "I said so" for other things it's nice to see the reasoning behind why things change. Since reef keeping uses quite a bit of brain power, I'm going to say the majority of reefers will be more receptive to change if they understand why the change is happening. It's a lot like telling a Boatswain Mate to do something and telling the same thing to a Nuclear Technician. The nuke will almost always want an explaination as to why so they can figure out what is being asked of them, where the boatswain mate will do it because he was told to. Kind of like when we were kids vs. our kids today. Kids today need a lot more explained to them, whereas we probably got smacked for not immediatly taken action of what was asked of us.
Most people arrested for DUI/DWI usually really don't like the cop that pinched them. The public is unaware that someones life was probably saved, so they are unthankful. (I know two totally different scenairos, but the cop still has a job to do, just as all the mods have jobs to do.)
I for one think you guys are doing a good job. Keep up the good work.
Always remember:
There will always be resistance with change.
You can never fully please 100% of people 100% of the time. Unfortunately we usually only seem to recall the negatives.
One thing I would like to see is that RF remains a "low bandwith" use site so those of us that take unexpected and routine "pleasure cruises" around the world can still read, learn and offer advice from the future (The other side of the date line)
Ok - gotta throw in my .02 :eek2:
From my personal experience in garnering donations
- People will donate the first time you ask them during the "hype" of your new rollout, but it is not something that you can count on for continued long term income. If the software is going to have a continual yearly maintenance fee, resting on donations to keep it running may be difficult
- I would also be cautious if RF is involved in the money exchange process for the buyers and sellers. If a deal goes bad, and someone paid RF for a transaction that was between two individuals, that said person may ask RF to be held accountable for the sale, even though they did not do the sale. I only see RF taking money in the instance of a % of the sale type of deal - it gets very difficult to collect money from people after they have it in their hands, and spending time and effort on collections can get costly as well
As a user I really don't have things for sale all the time, usually just when I'm doing some major fragging, etc., and I really don't know when or if I will be selling anything from year to year. I would prefer, if it was a paid access part of the site, to be able to browse all for sale items for free, but if I want to sell, I would pay a monthly "donation" for the ability to post.
2 reasons behind this
- By allowing all users to view sale items, I get great viewership of my for sale items. I don't want to pay to post something for sale and have no one call on it.
- I can hedge my bets, and pay for the posting priviledges when I need them, and not feel like I've wasted money on paying for postings that I didn't use.
From my personal experience in garnering donations
- People will donate the first time you ask them during the "hype" of your new rollout, but it is not something that you can count on for continued long term income. If the software is going to have a continual yearly maintenance fee, resting on donations to keep it running may be difficult
- I would also be cautious if RF is involved in the money exchange process for the buyers and sellers. If a deal goes bad, and someone paid RF for a transaction that was between two individuals, that said person may ask RF to be held accountable for the sale, even though they did not do the sale. I only see RF taking money in the instance of a % of the sale type of deal - it gets very difficult to collect money from people after they have it in their hands, and spending time and effort on collections can get costly as well
As a user I really don't have things for sale all the time, usually just when I'm doing some major fragging, etc., and I really don't know when or if I will be selling anything from year to year. I would prefer, if it was a paid access part of the site, to be able to browse all for sale items for free, but if I want to sell, I would pay a monthly "donation" for the ability to post.
2 reasons behind this
- By allowing all users to view sale items, I get great viewership of my for sale items. I don't want to pay to post something for sale and have no one call on it.
- I can hedge my bets, and pay for the posting priviledges when I need them, and not feel like I've wasted money on paying for postings that I didn't use.
Myteemouse
NOTHING
Dont get me wrong this is my home forum. all others are side jobs so to speak..
I got no problem with rules or forum changes or new Mods for that matter.
I am just speaking my mind..
Isn't that what this thread is for..
Dont charge people to sell stuff..
REALLY??
This site and members on it helped me pay aback a friend for getting my car out of impound in Seattle at a hawks game. (thanks all for that) and If I had to pay to sell my stuff I dont know how long it would have taken..
I know the problems with the sale forums before were arguments and fights but those offenders should be dealt with not the masses..
If you "NEED" to make more money for the site, reinstate premium memberships (but make it worth while)
Like before.
Like a special Premium member only forum. and bigger message space and specials for premium members only more people will shell out a few buck a year for it..
I would give 30 a year or so to be a premium member for sure..
I got no problem with rules or forum changes or new Mods for that matter.
I am just speaking my mind..
Isn't that what this thread is for..
Dont charge people to sell stuff..
REALLY??
This site and members on it helped me pay aback a friend for getting my car out of impound in Seattle at a hawks game. (thanks all for that) and If I had to pay to sell my stuff I dont know how long it would have taken..
I know the problems with the sale forums before were arguments and fights but those offenders should be dealt with not the masses..
If you "NEED" to make more money for the site, reinstate premium memberships (but make it worth while)
Like before.
Like a special Premium member only forum. and bigger message space and specials for premium members only more people will shell out a few buck a year for it..
I would give 30 a year or so to be a premium member for sure..
Myteemouse
NOTHING
DEAL AND DONE give me another year...LOL! :lol: I will give you a free trip to the Bahamas if you can catch me up. All expenses paid
wheres Charlie when you need him
Myteemouse
NOTHING
FURTHERMORE, I know of another site that has a "SPONSOR" give away every month..
all month long all you have to do is post in the thread (sometimes on topic) and you could win.
The sponsor gets there name on the thread title and bumped all month long .. WIN WIN.
Also a PREMIUM MEMBER ONLY giveaway every few months too for more incentive to become a premium member..
all month long all you have to do is post in the thread (sometimes on topic) and you could win.
The sponsor gets there name on the thread title and bumped all month long .. WIN WIN.
Also a PREMIUM MEMBER ONLY giveaway every few months too for more incentive to become a premium member..
Well, sometimes changes aren't for the better. Guess that is what Mojo is trying to figure out with this thread. Nothing is set in stone and if you guys don't like some of the proposed changes, then I'm sure some things will remain.
LOL! :lol: I will give you a free trip to the Bahamas if you can catch me up. All expenses paid
I need to talk that one over with the woman first!:lol:
Is the next year stright on the computer worth a free trip?
She's already jealous of the time I spend "reefing"
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