Carbon is confusing

[MikeS]

well, if we are splitting hairs here, mezcal doesn't have "worms" either...it's a grub like a catapiller, not a worm...:lol:

Yeah sid, I don't tend to eat the zoo's, I'm guessing that would void my life insurance policy...:lol:

Isn't it amazing how fast a thread can get off topic? Apologies for my part of it I'm still curious to know who produces this stuff for Eric...or is he just lending his name to a product that already exists?

MikeS

 

[sihaya]

I just want to say I'm quite impressed with Boomer's apparent knowledge of carbon!

I don't know who manufactures the Element's carbon, but I do know that Borneman orders a lot of carbon from Jacobi (and not just for his own use). Some maybe this carbon is from Jacobi? I don't know.

I don't know as much about carbon as Boomer does, but I wholly agree about the dust thing... I never understood why people thought that meant anything.

 

[returnofsid]

I've got several mini bottles of Cusano Rojo Mezcal Jeven in my freezer right now. One's got a HUGE grub in it!!

 

[Damsel13]

ya and will it make the jack taste better.....for those not in the know, that's Daniels's to you chilln'

 

[Boomer]

Some maybe this carbon is from Jacobi? I don't know.

Maybe Sara but that site sucks. You have to log in to look at a flippin data sheet.

I just want to say I'm quite impressed with Boomer's apparent knowledge of carbon!

Well, I'm often called the GAC GOD. Actually I'm not, I just have tons of info I have collect over the last 30 years and a ++ $100 textbook on the subject. GAC use to be is like a pet hobby of mine but is hard, being old, to keep most of those flippin #'s in my head If soemone askes me next week I'll have to dig out all the stuff again :lol:

dust thing... I never understood why people thought that meant anything.

No, me either , just needs more rinsing. For some that is a big issue, it is part of my "user freindly" analogy.

 

[DonW]

Well, I'm often called the GAC GOD.

Thats not because of knowlege, its because your older than coal.

Don

 

[Boomer]

I should have figured that I would have opened myself up for the old comments

Yah but you see Donny you are an Air-Head and I'm not. My head is very dense with no air left to store anything, unlike yours with all the free air space. If I try to stick something in there then either I loose something else, so it fits in, or it just does not go in. Unlike you and the other young ducks, that just suck things into your brians like its a vacumn and they just stay there. Wait, you will see what I mean, it is just a time thing

 

[DonW]

I should have figured that I would have opened myself up for the old comments

Yah but you see Donny you are an Air-Head and I'm not. My head is very dense with no air left to store anything, unlike yours with all the free air space. If I try to stick something in there then either I loose something else, so it fits in, or it just does not go in. Unlike you and the other young ducks, that just suck things into your brians like its a vacumn and they just stay there. Wait, you will see what I mean, it is just a time thing

I think the dense matter may be coal, one nice thing is the obviouse intense cranial pressure may be forming a diamond. On the other hand which I think is more likely is a methane pocket that will soon explode and blow out even more BS.

Don

 

[Boomer]

:lol::lol:

 

[barrierreefcf]

Boomer,

In the interest of using better carbon, would you care to share the top 5 so we can all start using the best??

 

[loohunter]

Boomer,

In the interest of using better carbon, would you care to share the top 5 so we can all start using the best??

i was also wondering about the top 5

 

[Scooterman]

Top five sounds like a great idea!

 

[little fishes]

Or even the whole top seven with reasons for the order so that we can then also do our own price and availability comparisons and figure out what we want to use independently-That would be great if you don’t mind?!?
Cheers,
Tracy

 

[AA-JT]

Sorry I've been out of the thread for a few days... Interesting developments.. so..

1. I need the Address and Phone number of the the guys with the Mezcal..
2. I especially appreciated the "older than coal" comment..
3. Of Course I cant tell the source of the carbon..
4. I might concur with the "GAC GOD" title..

JT

 

[Damsel13]

You Guys Can Be Mean!
ok sheeh!

 

[Boomer]

1. Warner Marine
A Peat based extruded acid washed GAC, the size or appearance of broken mechanical pencil lead, that is .8 mm in dia and about 2 mm long and fairly hard for a Peat due to the extrusion process. Data specs roll your eyes back in your head.

2. TLF Hydrocarbon
A Lignite Coal acid washed GAC


3. SeaChem Matrix
A Bitum coal non-acid washed GAC of 1-2 mm "balls". With superior fluid dynamics in flow abilities i.e., much less channeling

4. thefilterguys
The best Bitum coal I know of. Acid washed, water rinsed and pH neutral. Chemically this is better than Matrix. The most dust free GAC there is, at least for Bitums, Lignites or Peat. It is even more dust free than many CC. This is actually more of a C-GAC than a true GAC.

The above are all very low in Ash. They are not cheap about $8.00 / l. The Matrix I think is even more.

5. Elements
Already said enough

6. Black Diamond, Marineland.
Bitum coal non- acid washed GAC. Pretty much the aquarium industry std

7. API Super Black Magic

Bitum coal non-acid washed GAC. It use to be the same as TLF hydrocarbon. They switched a couple of years ago to a bitum

5, 6 and 7 are almost the same. Elements "seems/appears" better, maybe due to a smaller mess size. There are no data sheets given by Marineland or API for their GAC


The term Bitum is actually a short name we use for Sub-Bituminous Coal and not Bituminous Coal. Almost all Bitum GAC's are Subs. Sub-Bituminous Coal is not as hard as Bituminous. There are lots of other GAC's made from other raw materials, like various Woods, Bone, Coconut Shells, Bamboo, etc.. Coconut(CC) and Bamboo are quite common as Vapor Phase Carbons ( VPC). Bamboo is a kinda new one in VPC. Bone GAC is rare. Woods are a times use in waste water. It has huge pores, the opposite of CC.

 

[Boomer]

I had to edit the above it was a mess :lol:

More editing not my day. I think I'm done now

Pretty bad when you have to edit the edit note:lol:

 

[chris&barb]

its good to know that WM has the best GAC, but where can you get it? of the 5 sites listed on WM's web site, only one carries it and only in a 1L containers

 

[Boomer]

One of his issues seems to me Chris, as soon as he finds a supplier other companies carrying lines similar to his seem to get after the suppliers about carrying Warner Marine, making threats of dropping their line, is my guess. It is beginning to piss me off. This is an old "thing" in the pet industry. I think he is trying to stay with smaller companies rather than the big monster ones that kinda eat you up.

Fell free to e-mail Warner and tell Jon I sent you Chris

 

[jon warner]

Hi guys...

The new GAC, known as Warner Marine "ULTIMATE" GAC is coming soon... the material will be here soon and be in the distribution pipeline shortly thereafter. Regarding it's performance in the marine aquarium it is nothing short of "awesome". I've NEVER seen clearer water using any other lignite or bitum GAC. However, perfection has a price... it's a VERY expensive media.

The Warner Marine GAC available at online e-tailers is our fine quality lignite based media from the top GAC mfg. in the world.

And thanks for the kind words Boomer (GAC GOD)

jon