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Jan
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Bummer! 
Are these the same thing as planaria? The little orange ones?
Are these the same thing as planaria? The little orange ones?
NaH2O
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Jan, the acro eating flatworms are completely different than the little orange/red planarian ones you are probably thinking of.
Trido - they seem to be acro specific, so your other corals will be safe. However, you want to keep them separated from acros for a few weeks, incase there were any egg masses laid on them. This would allow the eggs to hatch out, and the babies to die off due to lack of food source.
Hope this helps....
Trido - they seem to be acro specific, so your other corals will be safe. However, you want to keep them separated from acros for a few weeks, incase there were any egg masses laid on them. This would allow the eggs to hatch out, and the babies to die off due to lack of food source.
Hope this helps....
These are not planaria by any means. I was actually inspecting and getting ready to treat for red bug when I spotted them.
Unfortunately, I dont have a third tank to seperate my non-acros into. I guess I will have to be diligent in dipping all of my frags in iodine for the next month or so. I just thank god this plague isnt in my main display. These bugs could have come in on only one of two corals that Ive added lately. Any one who has received frags from me recently should be fine. The one person who needed to know has already been informed via PM.
Unfortunately, I dont have a third tank to seperate my non-acros into. I guess I will have to be diligent in dipping all of my frags in iodine for the next month or so. I just thank god this plague isnt in my main display. These bugs could have come in on only one of two corals that Ive added lately. Any one who has received frags from me recently should be fine. The one person who needed to know has already been informed via PM.
Herefishyfishy
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You are aware that the acro eating flatworms, are also a planarian. Just not the common red (brown) planaria. You found some holes in the corals or egg masses?
When I was carefully inspecting for red bugs I was barely able to see a flat worm. NOT the common red variety. My tanks both have plenty of them ( red/brown) and I leave them be because they cause no harm. I immediately knew what they were AEFWs from discussions Ive had with Tim at BR. I quickly dipped all of my acros in the tank with a concentrated sea-chem iodine mix and to my surprise nearly a hundred (exaggeration I'm sure) translucent flat worms ranging form 1/16"-1/4" dropped off my acros. During the dip I noticed some severe chewing on two large colonies that were in the back of the tank. I havent seen any egg clusters so far but really wouldnt know what to look for.
Fortunately, after two years of reefing I still stare closley at my corals in awe quite frequently. I hope I have discovered this quickly enough that I dont lose any colonies or frags over it.
Herefishyfishy
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WOW, bravo on catching it so early!!!!
Jan
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I have a 20 gallon tank you could borrow if you want to separate your corals.
little fishes
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Trido,
When I had AEFWs and was reading up on others experiences, I found a few different people that insisted they were also feeding on there montis. When I checked on the montis I realized they are in the same family as Acroporas (family Acroporidae, includes Acropora, Anacropora, Montipora, and Astreopora). I never saw any evidence that the AEFW were feeding on my montis but I quarantined and dipped them along with the acros just be on the safe side. Last thing I wanted was to do the whole procedure of quarantine and dipping for a couple months just to put them back in the display and find out some of those sneaky little AEFWs survived off the montis. Hope you get rid of them successfully!
Good luck
Tracy
When I had AEFWs and was reading up on others experiences, I found a few different people that insisted they were also feeding on there montis. When I checked on the montis I realized they are in the same family as Acroporas (family Acroporidae, includes Acropora, Anacropora, Montipora, and Astreopora). I never saw any evidence that the AEFW were feeding on my montis but I quarantined and dipped them along with the acros just be on the safe side. Last thing I wanted was to do the whole procedure of quarantine and dipping for a couple months just to put them back in the display and find out some of those sneaky little AEFWs survived off the montis. Hope you get rid of them successfully!
Good luck
Tracy
I am extremely lucky that none of these corals are intended for my large tank. They are either frags for trade/sale or for my 65G which will be incorporated into the existing frag system when my DIY aragocrete is done curing.
Jan, thanks for the offer. Ill have to pass It takes less than an hour to treat every SPS in the tank. I've done it twice already and should have these buggers eradicated in no time. Keep in mind, its a frag tank. Everything is on a plug and doesnt require remounting. Lucky me.
NaH2O
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trido - check out this thread on treatment. You might think about doing different treatment than just iodine dips. FYI for those that haven't experienced these yet, flatworm exit does nothing against them. AEFW Grrrrrr
I also have a picture of egg mass in my thread on them QT for Acro Eating Flatworms
Good Luck! Let us know how it goes...
I also have a picture of egg mass in my thread on them QT for Acro Eating Flatworms
Good Luck! Let us know how it goes...
NaH2O, Thanks for posting the links.
I have a 120 full of large SPS and have been very negligent in QTing anything. I have had red bugs twice now in that tank. Monti eating nudi's in a 30 softy tank which was no big deal because they starved to death. And now AEFWs in my 40 frag tank. From now on I can gurantee you I will be religious in QTing all of my new aquisitions.
Yikes, looks like im in for a fight on this one.
I have a 120 full of large SPS and have been very negligent in QTing anything. I have had red bugs twice now in that tank. Monti eating nudi's in a 30 softy tank which was no big deal because they starved to death. And now AEFWs in my 40 frag tank. From now on I can gurantee you I will be religious in QTing all of my new aquisitions.
Yikes, looks like im in for a fight on this one.
did you lose any of your corals after the iodine dips??? i just had the same problem and i lost a few acros after the dipping process..i may have mixed in too much Lugols in the dip container...the corals that survived have, for the most part, browned out..( just like Mike said they would)..unfortunataly, i didn't read Mike's post until i had already performed the dips
So far no. Some of the corals are losing color and some are ticked off to the point of less polyp extention. I use 5ml of Sea-chem iodine to about one quart of water. 4x the recommended strength. I think I can see two (of about 25) that likely wont make it. They were pretty pale before I started. I thought they were changing color from the spectrum change from 14k to 10k. :doubt: It seems I was wrong.
NaH2O It seems I was wrong and my 120 does have the AEFWs and I definately underestimated the reproductive cycle of these little devils. I broke down the 120 and everything is in QT. Im trying to look at the only bright side here that I was able to reaquascape the 120.
I picked up some levamisole and want to treat the whole system. With near 40 frags and 20 large parent colonies I think dipping is not really an option at this point. If I can avoid it.
In the directions posted in your thread It shows .8G/100L. Do you know what the fluid ml/100L is?
I picked up some levamisole and want to treat the whole system. With near 40 frags and 20 large parent colonies I think dipping is not really an option at this point. If I can avoid it.
In the directions posted in your thread It shows .8G/100L. Do you know what the fluid ml/100L is?
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plack
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1.00000 Liter = 1000.00000 Milliliters
1.00000 Liter = 0.26417 Gallons
This much is certain !
so with .8 gallons needing 100L Wow thats allot that cant be right !!!
if it was then 26.4 gallons of treatment per .8 gallons of saltwater !!
After reading the thread myself I vote betadine first fluke tabs second and levimisole seems to possably kill the corals, but anyway.
IF IT IS .8 Gallons needs 100 ML !!! IF !!
then for 120 Gallons it would be 3.962 Gallons
Paul
1.00000 Liter = 0.26417 Gallons
This much is certain !
so with .8 gallons needing 100L Wow thats allot that cant be right !!!
if it was then 26.4 gallons of treatment per .8 gallons of saltwater !!
After reading the thread myself I vote betadine first fluke tabs second and levimisole seems to possably kill the corals, but anyway.
IF IT IS .8 Gallons needs 100 ML !!! IF !!
then for 120 Gallons it would be 3.962 Gallons
Paul
1.00000 Liter = 1000.00000 Milliliters
1.00000 Liter = 0.26417 Gallons
This much is certain !
so with .8 gallons needing 100L Wow thats allot that cant be right !!!
if it was then 26.4 gallons of treatment per .8 gallons of saltwater !!
After reading the thread myself I vote betadine first fluke tabs second and levimisole seems to possably kill the corals, but anyway.
IF IT IS .8 Gallons needs 100 ML !!! IF !!
then for 120 Gallons it would be 3.962 Gallons
Paul
I think you misread the treatment
It says .8grams of medicine for 100L (23G) of water.
So, I would need roughly 2.4grams of medicine. AFAIK grams is for dry weight. I need to know how many fluid Oz. or Ml. per 23G of water do dose my tank.
I was talking with Tim and Mark at BR yesterday they have had success more than once with the Levamisole. The Levamisole will kill all of your fish so it isnt recommended. My 40 is now fish free. AFAIK the prezi. can potentialy kill the corals. NOT the Levamisole.
plack
Sea Otter
WOW I did misunderstood and misread...sorry anyway here is my math for a 120 tank .
It depends
A fluid ounce is a measure of volume, and a gram is a measure of weight. It's like asking how much does a person weigh who is 6 feet tall. It depends!
A dry ounce is a measure of weight, however. In one dry ounce, there are 28.35 grams, but this is not a "fluid ounce" (volume). To know the weight of one fluid ounce, we would need to know the density of the substance so we could derive the weight per given volume (grams per fluid ounce) or volume per given weight (fluid ounces per gram).
1.00000 Gram = 0.03527 Ounces
1.00000 Gallons (US) = 3.78541 Liters
120 gallon tank is = 454.2492 liters
0.8 grams X 4.542 = 6.339 grams needed for a 120 tank.
6.339 gr X .03527 = .128 ounces needed for a 120 tank.
Hope thats what you wanted
Paul
It depends
A fluid ounce is a measure of volume, and a gram is a measure of weight. It's like asking how much does a person weigh who is 6 feet tall. It depends!
A dry ounce is a measure of weight, however. In one dry ounce, there are 28.35 grams, but this is not a "fluid ounce" (volume). To know the weight of one fluid ounce, we would need to know the density of the substance so we could derive the weight per given volume (grams per fluid ounce) or volume per given weight (fluid ounces per gram).
1.00000 Gram = 0.03527 Ounces
1.00000 Gallons (US) = 3.78541 Liters
120 gallon tank is = 454.2492 liters
0.8 grams X 4.542 = 6.339 grams needed for a 120 tank.
6.339 gr X .03527 = .128 ounces needed for a 120 tank.
Hope thats what you wanted
Paul
Jan
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Duane, did you have to chip encrusted corals off of your rock in the 120? (Was it was you that I was talking to about the downside of having corals encrust onto the rock?)
Yes, for instance. I had to use my dremel to cut a cats paw off a piece of tonga branch last night. I also had to break several pieces of LR to get the acros off and still have some of the encrusted corals here and there in the 120. I'm not sure how to address that part of the problem as of yet. I may have unwanted pocillopora, hynophora, etc. popping up where they arent wanted after I get things put back together. Ill see if I cant get a good before and after posted in the next few hours.
