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Kevin and I are going to test 4 kinds of kalkwasser and a sample of Mrs. Wages.

Background: I have been using kalk since I started my system and for quite a while it went very well, but as of late, the results have not been so good. Originally I brought in some Seachem, ESV, and Custom Aquatic's generic powder. I used up the Custom generic and the Seachem, which both seemed to work fine, but since the switch to the ESV, I have noticed a lot of residue in the reactor and very little in the way of pH bump or alkalinity stability.

Throughout the Winter both Kevin and I have had problems maintaining alkalinity and I had blamed it on low evap. rates. But now we have lost that "excuse". I have been dosing baked baking soda like mad to make up the difference, and we finally both got tired of it and decided to test some kalk powders to find a good one.

Method: Kevin and I will both test these and post the results within this thread. I use a Barr Aquatic KR3020 magnetic stirrer coupled with a LiterMeter III and controlled as well by my tank controller, an ACIII Pro. My typical evap./top-off rate is 14g per day during the Summer.

Kevin uses a Geo reactor controlled by a Tunze Osmolator, also controlled by an ACIII.

To test we are going to clean and re-fill our reactors with fresh product and run it for a week. At the week's end, we will report on performance including pH and alkalinity, visible residue, as well as any results we get when testing for contaminants.

Cleaning consists of completely draining the reactor, wiping out any residue, a quick vinegar bath, and rinse with RO/DI water. I will be using 250g for each test.

Science? Not. We are not scientists and can only test these products from the hobbyist viewpoint and available materials and information. While we will report on our findings, they are in no way meant to infer scientific data. This is just a opportunity to add to our collective "data base" and come to some conclusion for our own needs based on our systems.

Reminder: Products change. Suppliers change. Our results are not set in stone and are not terribly accurate. What we may find in the next couple of weeks may not be true a year from now, and it is incumbant on any dedicated hobbyist to do their own testing and make the appropriate buying decision.

Products:

1. Two Little Fishes Kalkwasser: Ingredients: Calium, Hydroxide.

2. Warner Marine Reef Pure Kalkwasser: Ingredients: None. I know there is a stigma asociated with this brand and I generally will not use any product that does not list its ingredients, but this product was recommended by Steve Weast. He judges purity by the products effect on his system and the amount of residue accumulated in the reactor.

3. ROWA kalk: Ingredients: Calcium Hydroxide, 98.2%.

4. Custom Aquatic Generic Brand: Ingredients: None. Again I have used this product before with good results, but do not have access to any published ingredients or purity.

5. Mrs. Wages Pickling Lime: Ingredients: Food grade calcium hydroxide. This is a popular DIY substitute and I am excited to finally test this product.
 
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I have started the testing off with Two Little Fishes Kalkwasser. I cleaned the reactor and added 250g of this product.
 
Before Graphs of my tank:

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Ignore the conductivity data. That probe is in a vinegar bath.
 
I'll be following your test. I have been having the same issue after topping off my reactor with Reef Pure kalk 3 weeks ago. Not much bang for the buck and the residue. I never got that from the seachem kalk.

You guys are like Geraldo and Capone's secret vault. Were all waiting for you to unlock the mystery...............................
 
That's cause it was a surprise attack. The poor Wolfhound didn't know what he was dealing with.
 
That's cause it was a surprise attack. The poor Wolfhound didn't know what he was dealing with.

:D:D:D

Don't underestimate Boston's.

I had training dummies for my labs. I would whiz them out into the lake and they would go and swim and bring them back. I had the same two dummies for 13 years. Sadly, Cheyenne and Cherokee are no longer with us so the dummies got thrown into the closet until I got Tyson. Tyson managed to destroy the dummies in two days.
 
Kevin and I got together today and further discussed our "method" and decided that we are going to let each kalk powder run its course rather than limit them to one week. Based on input from SERVO and our own thoughts about this, we have decided to forgo our own "benefit" and try to better determine the "potency" of each product. This requires letting them run until we see some marked decline in pH and alkalinity.

We have also decided (since I have a bucket), to add in SeaChem. I and a couple other reef keepers have had decent results with this product, so we felt we should add it to the testing.

First impression: Two Little Fishes Kalkwasser looks visulaly more "pure" than the ESU. This is a stupid comparisson from a scientific viewpoint, but to me, it is cleaner looking. Perhaps more white is a good description, but it has a purer look to it.

I have had some correspondence with Warner Marine and am really excited to try out their product. I hope that we can get manufacturers to weigh in with their thoughts on how to judge product quality and maybe work out some cost/benefit relationships.

It has been suggested by a good friend and marine biologist that we try a lab grade calcium hydroxide. This seems like a good idea so I will research this and figure out if we can source one that is reasonably available to the general public.
 
I would imagine something like that... one he figures out that is the only way to not really lose...

I'm interested in how this will turn out. I've started using Mrs. Wages to kill the pest anemones and raise my ph.
 
I want to add a little more info. about our dosing method, and I am a bit surprised no one has asked about the dual control. Kevin's reactor is a pump type and mine is a magnetic stirrer. Because both of these reactors really stir up a cloud in the reactor, we have our tank controllers shut down the dosers during and for a period after each stir. In my case it is during and for an hour after, and Kevin's is during and for two hours after a stir.
 
OK, you answered my question whether you know it or not.:D:D

Kalk is the only thing you use for topoff.

Sorry that I wasn't quite clear enough.

The reason I ask is, I have begun using kalk as the main topoff ingredient, but I am evaporating about 8 gallons a day, and my kalk bucket is only a 4 gallon job.
 
Your evap. is 8g/day? Damn, that's pretty high.

Get rid of the bucket and get a Deltec stirrer. Sorry to point you in the expensive direction, but that is the ONLY reactor I would buy based on my experience. Or switch to a 33g Rubbermaid garbage can.
 

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