Ozone alters Skimmate???

[Illusion]

yeah I saw that one Boomer.. It didnt look too bad for the price either... So you think Me just running the Ozone a couple hours a day Is going to hurt something with the tank the size that it is?

It does cause a lot of Electrical interference... the reason I picked it up for a few frags was because it would not work with X10...

Thanks again,
James

 

[Boomer]

No Jim but still please get a air dryer. You can make one dirt cheap. Just set the dial based on the std dosage I gave for net gals and have the treated water pass over GAC. I would however, suggest manual on off, that is buy your hands Jim. I would hate to think what may happen if for some reason you had the setting way to high on a cheap timer and the timer did not shut it off and you were out having a beer or two. REEF MELT DOWN via ozone

It does cause a lot of Electrical interference...

Then put it someplace else or shield it

 

[Illusion]

No Jim but still please get a air dryer. You can make one dirt cheap.
Will do.. since you mention making one... may I ask how?
Just set the dial based on the std dosage I gave for net gals and have the treated water pass over GAC.
Confused about the dial.. Are you talking about that last unit you posted from Enlay with the Dial as mine doesnt have a dial.
I would however, suggest manual on off, that is buy your hands Jim. I would hate to think what may happen if for some reason you had the setting way to high on a cheap timer and the timer did not shut it off and you were out having a beer or two. REEF MELT DOWN via ozone

As for this It is a manual off by my hands... I never even think about turning it on unless I know for a fact I will remember to shut it off... I dont think i could trust a timer..

Thanks again,
James

 

[mojoreef]

Hey Mojo, time to spend money

To late Boomer, I already got the 1 gram Ozotech!!

Mike

 

[wrightme43]

Hey Boomer since nobody answered the "What do you think this blue stuff is?" Question
Is it a copper solution of some sort?
Also would you if you have time explain more of how and why it is able to make bromide bleach? I am chemically illeterate but I am trying to learn. Steve

 

[Illusion]

Well some Good News.. I sent an Email to the company wondering why the 300u has the port for the Air drier and they said the design was just changed a few days ago.. They offered to send me out a new top cover with the port hold and the adapter...

I would say pretty good customer service if ya ask me

James

 

[Boomer]

Jim

Confused about the dial.. Are you talking about that last unit you posted from Enlay with the Dial as mine doesn't have a dial.

I got the idea you might be thinkin' of getting that unit for the big tank You will be fine with the unit you have with no dial, just remember you are still almost twice max dosage.

Steve

Copper, yes that is what is in brass and when it gets oxidized that is the color of the liquid or tarnish one would get on/from the metal

NSW has about 65 ppm bromide. There are two kinds of bleach more or less. "Chlorine Bleach and Bromine Bleach" You never hear much about Bromine Bleach except in the swimming pool industry, where it is used instead of regular Chlorine Bleach (house bleach, stuff wife uses on cloths and many water supply companies put in their water.) Bromine Bleach is the same except it uses Bromine instead of Chorine. The Bromine kind is sometimes used in swimming pools as it lasts longer and produces no/little gas like Chlorine.

In seawater the ozone attacks the Bromide ion and produces Bromine Bleach, which is quite toxic to aquatic life, obviously if it is used in swimming pools.

O3 + Br- -----> O2 + OBr-

Technically this OBr- is called Hypobromite, just like tech. house bleach is hypochlorite

The reaction above can have something else happen, which as far as toxicity is better for us but as far as oxidation reactions is bad for us. It goes right back to Bromide

O3 + OBr- ---->2O2 + Br-

However, we never know where we are at in these reactions, so we need to play it safe. If you check the water effluent of a skimmer with ozone with a common Chlorine test kit it will show +. That + is for Bromine and not Chlorine as both use the same test procedures most of the time. I always tell people if they are worried about Bromine get a good Chlorine test kit. One that has a range of 0 - 1 ppm . Meaning .01, .02 ---.1, .5, --- 1 ppm

OK, so your next question is "how come ozone does not produced Chlorine Bleach in seawater where the Chloride ion is 19,000 ppm. You don't want to go there, it is called thermodynamic kinetics. In short ozone really likes Bromide, as in 50,000 times more it likes it

 

[Illusion]

Ahh ok thanks..

An articles or anything on making an Air Drier?

thanks again,
James

 

[Boomer]

I forgot

You don't need any articles Just get some PVC pipe, 3 " by 18 " or bigger if you want with two end caps. Drill two holes in the side of the tube just above the end caps or in the bottom of the end caps if you wish. Then get two fittings for the air tube and clue them in ( do not clue in the end caps). The air goes in the bottom hole and out the top hole. Put 2 " of cotton floss in bottom and top and fill the space in between with dryerite with some color indicators beads.......your done. Once a month take off the end caps and pour the dryerite on some cookie sheets and bake in the oven ( see second link)

http://genchem.rutgers.edu/hydrateB.html

http://www.drierite.com/

 

[Illusion]

Thank you.. Seems very Easy...

thanks again,
James

 

[Boomer]

Also, if you wish, to make it air tight, once the end caps are in place, put a string of clear silicone seal around the cap where it meets the tube. Do not force any of this between the tube and cap, we just want to seal that, in case any air might come out due to any back pressure. You can just then cut the string wth a razor and peel the silicone string off and remove the end caps

 

[H.crispa]

Greetings one and all! I am the "Zen Reefer" known as "H.crispa" and I am the goober that Snowstar is talking about. Sorry it took me so long to get over here to reef frontiers but I've been busy. First up, My skimmer is U.L.E.M (Ultra Low Efficiency Model)... a cheap POS at best and although it is "rated" for a 150 gallon setup and mine is a mere 75, my tank is heavily stocked and I feed a lot. So, my cheapo unit was sorely inadequate. After doing some research I came to the conclusion that low levels of ozone in the skimmer might make a dramatic improvement in DOC reduction (which it did), but also not require an ORP controller (which also appears to be true). For a little under a year I was injecting 25mg/hr ozone into my wimpy unit 24/7/365 and had amazing results. The corals opened up better, grew faster, the water was sparkling, bla bla bla. I understand that to really get the best effect, I should have been running a much bigger O3 unit with an ORP controller.

The reason I did not is simple-- why buy an nice O3 gener and ORP controller and strap them onto a crappy skimmer?? I simply wanted to make the unit I had scrub and burn up the DOCs in the water in the simplest and cheapest way possible. I accomplished that.

Since then, I have moved on to doing recirculation mods on cheapo skimmers and running ozone on them (at low levels of 10mg/hr). This has shown me that you can indeed, polish a turd. That said, there is no substitution for a good skimmer.

All that said, It seems that my experiences with O3 are consistent with everyone else's.

Happy reefing, Jason

 

[Illusion]

Well I said Forget making an Air Dryer and Just ordered one... It should be here sometime this coming week... Since I am still battling my algae I have pretty much been letting the unit run pretty constant the way it is for now...

James

 

[WaterDogs]

Well I said Forget making an Air Dryer and Just ordered one... It should be here sometime this coming week... Since I am still battling my algae I have pretty much been letting the unit run pretty constant the way it is for now...

James

When you get the Air Dryer and if you have been already using the Ozonier take apart the unit and clean the junk off of the Corona Discharge tube to get back peak performace.

 

[jlehigh]

This has been a great thread along with mtndewman's..

Can someone refer me to some ozone safe barb fittings... I am corroding one every two weeks on my venturi skimmer input and cant seem to find any "ozone safe" online... Should I just look for brass or stainless?

 

[Illusion]

When you get the Air Dryer and if you have been already using the Ozonier take apart the unit and clean the junk off of the Corona Discharge tube to get back peak performace.

I have no Idea how one would go about this... I took it apart and everything looked clean to me..

James

 

[Illusion]

Wow talk about the Air Dryer needing to be recharged pretty rapidly... Put it on Thursday and By today (sunday) I am already having to recharge them...

Tank looks a hell of a lot clearer BTW... I can really tell the Difference..

James

 

[Boomer]

Jime no cleaning kit with your ozone unit ? Go ones come with a kit. Normally it is a wire brush, just like those used in a shotgun> There is a glass tube/electrode that sits inside the metal tube. It is this metal tube that needs to be reamed with the brush, then towel rinsed with RO/DI water in case there area ny metal filings. The electrode can be wiped with vinegar to remove deposits ad then wiped with RO/DI water to remove any vinegar residue.

 

[DrBDC]

Boomer, Not to hijack a thread but I just noticed you are from Deluth, home of Alpine (changed to Ecoquest before or after they moved to TN) a major manufacturer of home air purifiers using ozone! They should have hired you as an ozone consultant!

 

[Boomer]

I think you mean maybe Duluth Georgia, not Minnesota

There will be a 3 part ozone article coming out in a couple of weeks, part 1, that I just go done reviewing.