Pacific Coast Import Chiller. Beware of warranty!!!!!!

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dgasmd

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A few months back I bought a 2 HP chiller. The brand was Pacific Coast Imports. The unit was very fairly priced and it seemed like a great deal given the cost compared to other units on the market. My brand new unit sat in the box it came in pretty much in the same spot on the floor as where the delivery people had dropped it off. I recently set up the chiller as it had been getting warmer during the days. The chiller had really not gone off until about 3 weeks ago when it went off for a few hours in the afternoon when it got hot one day. It cooled off considerably that night, so I did not think too much of it running for a couple of hours continiously. I've never had a chiller before, so I thought this was pretty normal. 2 days ago, it got pretty hot again and the temp. reached 83F. The chiller came on and it stayed on all afternoon, evening, and night By the time I went to work in the morning, the temp had gone up to 85F!! The chiller was still running, so I turned it off. I inmediately contacted the manufacturer and informed them of the situation. Their solution was that since the chiller was still "under their one year warranty period" they would take care of the labor and parts to fix it. All I had to do was package it in a pallet and send it to them via freight shipping. They in the meantime would send me a loaner if I wanted it for me to use until mine came back. Here is the catch to this though:
-I pay freight shipping for my unit to them (close to $200)
-I pay freight shipping for the loaner back to them (close to $200 again)
-the loaner will take 8-10 (realisticly 2 weeks time) business days to get to me.
-my chiller may be gone for at least 4 weeks (2 to go and same to come back), but likely more if they are busy and can't get to it right away.

So, in other words, I have to spend nearly 25% of the cost ($400) for them to look at it and fix a brand new unit that has not worked right not even one freaking day. This is also after I already paid $200 once to get it here in the first place I spoke with their rep. and told them how unreasonable that is for this size unit. If this was a smaller unit that can simply be put in a box and sent fedex of UPS, that would be another proposition, but this is a very large unit and the cost of shipping alone is likely more than the repairs are going to be worth. At worst case scenario, if the compressor needs replacing it would cost $300 plus labor ($120). Shipping would be just about the same. So, for me to have to spend that kind of money to get it fixed "for free" is just as good as having no warranty and having to pay to fix it anywhere. I asked if they would cover the cost for me to get a local refrigeration professional to come out not only diagnose but fix what is wrong so long as it cost less than $400. It would be so much quicker too and I would not have to wait for weeks. They said not and that if I had someone other than them as much as touch anything within the unit that would void their so called "warranty".

I decided to ge a local techician anyway to come by and take care of it. He took at look at it and realized the unit had no refrigerant whatsoever. He leak tested it and found there was a hole in the line that had drained the refrigerant. this was at one spot where the copper pipe had been bent. He fixed it and charged the unit with refrigerant. $125 later, it now works. Does it cool? yes, but it has left a very sour taste in my mouth and wallet after the experience I just went through.

One thing is for sure and that is they will never get my business ever again. I will also do my best to discourage anyone I know from ever buying any of their products and will give them a very bad review in every other forum I know of based soley in my experience. Their so called warranty is worse than having no warranty at all. At least 2 service companies in the area that frequently set up systems with their chillers now know the story and refuse to buy their chillers ever again. Same goes for one of the most popular stores in town. I was also going to buy another of the same unit to install inline for a back up, but I will no longer get it either. Their lack of willingness to be realistic and cover the damages my chiller came with has already cost them in profit loss 3 times the cost of my chiller.


Buyer beware.
 
Some companies seem to insist on going out of business. I will never understand not at least taking a few minutes to review what a customer is offering and seeing if it is worth it to keep thier business, sometimes a loss is worth future business. Times like this where it would of saved them money in all likely hood to just have a local tech come and examine it for 60$ would of been well worth future business. And usually someone who will give a bad review is the same person who will tell everyone how good you did when you help them out. Who Knows.... LOL Sorry that happened to you. Steve
 
Alberto,
Man that blows.....
you couldnt have discovered this out before I bought my 1/4 hp PCI chiller????

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My experiances with them were positive, but thats a 5 dollar plastic part replacement. I know shipping cost have increased substantially with gas prices, but they should have handled this differently IMO...
They could have sent you a new chiller to replace the malfunctioning one, have you ship the non working chiller, and charged you if it could be determined that you were responsible for the damage/malfunction, (IE your wife overran the bricks in your garage and hit the chiller with the car...),
or paid for a local HVAC service tech to come take a look at it.

Bad business. I know they should treat me the same as they treat you, (we're both customers after all), but I would hope that they would bend over backwards for someone who spent what you did for a 2 hp chiller...
What, you know how to keep a reef tank and arent going to tell anyone about how you got left in the lurch?

If there are any PCI employee's or friends of employees on this board...now would be a good time to step up and make it right....

Nick
 
I also had a bad experience with a brand new Teclima chiller, made by Fritz, but they took care of me. It too ran all the time, and phone support suspected a lack of refrigerant. I had to pay to ship it to Texas, and their technician called me just a few days later: he could not find anything wrong with it (?). However, they gave me a full refund simply because I did not like the unit. Wow! I tell people that this is a very good company that makes a poor product. We all have to spread the word about these companies, good and bad.
 
My first Chiller was a JBJ Artica and it was bad right out the box. The same thing I had to send it back and pay for shipping there good news was they shipped me a new one and I received it within 3 days.

I know have a PCI 1/2hp and no problems. My brother inlaw and two of my friends use the 1/4hp PCI and no problems. I'm sorry to hear you had this problem Alberto but you said it best before I think you are having some bad luck.

I really fell bad for you wish someway they would fix this problem.

Dave
 
Sorry about the Issues you have faced with the Chiller... Its unfortunate that with that size chiller thats probably gonna happen... I am sure most other companies would have been abit worse and Not even offered a loaner... I guess I feel kinda lucky living about 20mins from them so Its not too much to run over there... I have Personally Forwarded this thread to the Owner for his review as well... I have never had a bad run in with mine... I bought the 1/2hp unit and chose to only go with PCI at first because of them being local... After getting the chiller and having a minor issue with it I knew it was their Customer service that was also a good thing... Hopefully all will get straightened out... I will personally mention it to Steve (owner) as well when I see him later this week...

James
 
maxx said:
If there are any PCI employee's or friends of employees on this board...now would be a good time to step up and make it right....

This went right past the money issue for me. I don't even want them to refund me the money at this point or do anything else for that matter. I was willing to do the reasonable and most cost effective thing for both of us and they did not seemed interested. The entire thing was ver simple to me: I paid for a brand new chiller and for it to be delivered to me and it came broken and did not work right a single time. Then I am expected to pay at least $200 to really get what I paid for in the first place. At this point, I will let my money and choices do the talking.

I had also heard many good experiences from other people, which is the reason I went with this unit despite the lack of long term history.

James:

Thanks for passing it on. At this point there is nothing they can really do or say that will change what they did. Right or not. However, maybe they will save someone else the misery of having to go through something like this again. That in my book will be a winning situation for everyone.

I am not trying to convince anyone here to boycott them, return their products, or send letters to distribuitors to stop sales of their products. When I personally look to buy something this big and costly, I look for other people's experiences dealing with them. It doesn't convince me one way or another, but it helps me form an informed/educated opinion.

Reading back my original post, likely the entire last paragraph is misleading now that I read it again, but I can't edit it. The people I mentioned that now refuse to buy their chillers are in their own desire to do that. I merely mentioned my problems to them because I personally know them and contacted them when I was looking for a solution to the problem. I didn't mean to make it sound like I was calling around town trying to stop everyone from buying their products. Sorry if I gave that impression.
 
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Well, bad taste and all, you at least have a chiller that works now. I agree that their customer service leaves alot to be desired!!! Considering the amount of dollars involved, it may behoove them to look into getting a service contract with someone local to you, or anybody for that matter. It's getting to that time of year where chillers will be an important item!!
I wonder how many other "voided warranties" are out there.
Good luck
 
dgasmd ,

I spoke with Steve personally about the Issue and He was unaware of it until I mentioned it to him... He would like you to call him and talk with him about it... I have PM'd you the phone #... I told him that I would pass back the message to you so Please call him..

James
 
Dgasmd,
Sorry for the misfortunes with your pci chiller. I soon will be in the market for a 1/3 hp chiller and PCI was definately on the list of possibilitys. I will be watching to see if their customer service can some how give you a measure of satisfaction in your purchase. Keep up the great work on the 750:D.
Best Wishes, Scott
 
See this is what is Kinda sad about the Entire issue... Yes the chiller arrived broken.. Most Mfgs would still want someone to ship it back at your cost to have it fixed and they would ship it back the same way you sent it... However with a 2hp unit weight and Size is an Extreme so It kinda makes it hard on both the Buyer and the Mfg... The Mfg can fix it for free but its still going to cost him Freight to ship it back... As well as the Buyer can have it fixed for free under warranty but they have to pay for shipping it to them... When I was researching chillers that seemed to be the same for Every mfg.. Some were Even worse wanting you to pay To and From... Then I found that Pacific coast was only 20mins away from me and I just went for it... 1/2hp unit... Works great on the tank...

Now that your chiller is Fixed I highly doubt that you will ever have another problem with it.. (if it was fixed right)...

Scott... I would not Hesitate in purchasing a chiller from them... They have top quality chillers.. There is always the chance that one can get Damaged in shipping Ect.. $#@$ happens... But from my dealings with PCI and the Others out there I can pretty much say with Confidence that no other Chiller Mfg would treat you as good as PCI would... For Example look at Stangs thread... If its the one I remember...

James
 
Illusion,
I also have a PCI chiller. I like it and it works great. I will most likely buy another one in the future. My experiance with their customer service was excellent.
However, they should have done something here beyond what was offered IMO.
Yes, most manufacturers want you to pay to-from shipping...on a smaller unit, thats not too bad.....on a 2 hp unit.....thats expensive and not something that the buyer should have to pay for IMO.

Like I said earlier....did they think he bought a $1600 chiller and wasnt tell anyone about his experiances???
We dont know what was said over the phone...so there is that. Maybe Alberto would have agreed to have them ship him out a new 2 hp unit and agreed to pay for shipping, repairs etc, IF it could be determined the malfunction was his repsonsibility....maybe he wouldnt have.

I can understand how PCI might not want to allow a mom and pop HVAC place repair the chiller...lord only knows what they do to it by mistake....however PCI could have tried to find a reputable HVAC service place in the area...that would have saved everyone time, money, and aggravation.

That being said, I think Alberto should have gone beyond the Customer Service Rep that answered the phone...alot of times they dont have the authority to authorize anything more than what they initially offer.
Maybe this could have been resolved before it got to that point.

Like I said, I have one and will most likely buy another one in the future...but this wasnt handled well IMO.
Nick
 
Ok if the owner is involved now and wants to make it right, I would at least see what he has to say. I own my business and it is very important to me. I have had bad experiences with certain customer service reps, sometimes they are having a bad day, or some of them should be doing something else for a living. I try very hard to make sure my customers are happy, some of them will never be happy no matter what and I quickly stop doing business with them. It is not worth the headache. Sometimes it takes a situation like this to get things changed. From what other people are saying about this company it seems like they have a track record of doing the right thing, it could only help to talk to the man and see what he has to say. I know if it were one of my customers I would at least like a chance to speak with them and find out how to make sure it never happens to another customer, even if you dont do business with them again. Steve
 
Illusion,
As I said earlier. I am going to watch and see if PCI customer service will somehow make Dgasmd's situation right. I understand detritus happens every day in retail sales and shipping. CS is a big area of concern for me when making a large purchase. I do not know personally the owner or staff at pci or any other chiller manufacturer for that matter.
I appreciate all feedback from yourself, Nick, Stang, Dgasmd and everyone else on the boards. I am looking to make an informed purchase.
Thanks, Scott
 
The Said thing is that all manufacturer unless you bought it at Wal-mart require you to pay for the shipping for warranty work. It sucks that poor alberto problem was with something that has to be on a pallet to ship. In our case living so close to these guys it would be cheaper if something went wrong than if you buy one from someone on the east coast, and all manufacturers have stuff broke from the factory. It looks like PCI owner is trying to make it right with him. I have nothing but good things to say about there customer service and Stang has had there help to when ever he needs it.

Thanks Dave
 
The sad thing is he had to come to a message board and vent about it in order for the company to even notice it. If they're name hadn't been drug through the muck do you think the owner would be wanting to call him??

I work in the manufacturing industry and EVERYTHING we make is tested before it heads out the door. We don't make $30 filters where testing wouldn't be worth it, we make hydraulic implements from $300 on up. I've got a feeling we wouldn't be in business to long if we shipped them out without testing them and then DEMANDED that the customer ship them back to us at their expense.

I've seen other threads on other sites similar to this one about different products and everyone's final opinion is "at least they're trying to make it right now". I have to call BS, you shouldn't have to go to a forum and start dragging names through the muck in order to get good customer service.
 
Bswim,
I agree with you in principle, but it appears at this time that the CSR might not have made anyone aware of the situation. It reflects badly on the company because CSR's are who the customer/public talks to...but its not really fair to PCI in this case. If the CSR overstepped his/her bounds and neglected to do their job properly...and now the company is making good on the situation, thats fair IMO.
Now if PCI attempts to fix the situation and Alberto declines it, they've done their part in trying to make good, IMO, and its up to him from there on.

Nick
 
Ok folks lets be smart about this thread and not post anything that could be used in a law suit??

Mike
 
UPDATE/FOLLOW UP

First of, I would like to thank James (Illusion) for taking the time and effort to pass this on to the owner of the company. Although I know Illusion said they are very good friends, any good business can only wish to have a friend that would go out of his way to help them out. Kudos to you for that.

I spoke with Stephen Weeks, the owner. He asked me to explain to him what happened, who I got the unit from and when, and how it was set up. After I got done with the brief story, he tells me he agrees that there is no question that it was a manufacturing defect. It so happens the small leak of refrigerant was coming from a small split in one of the cooper pipes in the middle of a 180 degree bend. The bend likely stretched the cooper too much at that particular point and it caused the split. He tells me that in the 3 years or so they have been selling these chiller, mine is only the second to have a genuine manufacturing defect. They do get damaged in shipping from time to time, but this was obviously not likely the case. He completely agreed that it would have been completely unfair for me to have to pick up the tap for something that was obviously not the fault of shipping or misuse. That is even though it is against their company policy. He told me that he really wished he had known about this before because the story he got from the customer rep. was very diluted and incomplete as he was under the impression the customer rep. was still waiting for me to call back to see what to do about it. I explained to him how frustrating it was for me to try to come to a simple, efficient, quick, and econimical solution to this given I tried to offer so many choices without interest from their customer rep. In my very specific situation, he agreed my choice of getting a professional refrigeration company to come and repair it was the best solution without a doubt. LET ME SAY IT CLEARLY THAT I DON'T ADVOCATE YOU SHOULD DO THIS WITHOUT CONSULTING WITH THE MANUFACTURER FIRST. Not only did it get done quickly, but it was much more economical for both of us. He and I would have spent twice as much at the very least to get it resolved if I had sent it to them. The one thing I was concerned was that if I have any further problems from here on that it will not be resolved by them because I voided the manufacturer's warranty. He assured me this was not the case at all and that he would be more than happy to just send me a brand new unit if I had any further problems. He also was very adamant about wanting to reimburse me for the expenses I had repairing the chiller locally. I did not have a receipt for it as I never thought I would need it for anything (paid by check though), but he did not care and wanted to just send me a refund check for it regardless. I declined and explained to him that this was not a money issue for me as much as it was a product I bought that came defective and the manufacturer, in my book at least, did not want to step up to make it right. He was very adamant about wanting to make sure this was not the case and that he would make it right regardless of what it took. I still declined his offer as it was not my intention at all when I posted this thread. All I wanted was to make sure people knew what happened with my unit so they can use that experience to make an informed decision in the future and possibly avoid the same situation. At the end of the conversation, I was satisfied with the result.

I will say that lots of you will be thinking that they would not have attempted to make it right had I not posted this all over the forums. That all they are doing is trying to erase what happened, but I for one would like to give them the benefit of the doubt and believe this was something they would had solved in a different manner had he been aware of the situation from the beginning. He seemed sincere and tried a genuine attempt to reimburse me for my repairs and to make sure I was satisfied with the resolution and with my unit. That goes a little more in line with the experience other users had reported in the past, some of which I knew personally.

As a learning lesson, maybe we should all attempt to go beyond the customer rep. when we are not satisfied with the answer. It may not change the situation every time, but it may help in others. As I told Mr. Weeks, I will be watching the performance of this unit over the next few months and if it seems to continue to perform well, I may end up getting another to connect inline as a back up (redundancy). This was my plan originally anyway.
 

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