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[steve-s]

Please explain to me what would be gained by continuing this discourse? Seriously, what can we gain from each other? What have you taught us here that can be applied to the betterment of the hobby? To chance the addition of an animal based on a visual inspection? Do you really believe that's all that's needed or are you simpley willing to take the risk? In advising others to do the same are you willing to share their risk?
The betterment of the hobby means doing everything we can to ensure the survival of the animals we care for, how does not using a QT accomplishing that goal?

To think QT's except for fish are uneccessary leaves us at very opposite ends. I will not yield that position for any reason and it is not disrespectful in any way shape of form. I don't see how disagreeing also disrespects someone? QT anything wet no matter where it comes from, friend, family, LFS or myself. It's a simple philosophy that when followed dramatically increases the success of a hobbyist. There is no way that all you need do is examine something visually with the naked eye will reveal all that may been there to learn.

What need is there for risk management? If you QT there is no need to take an obvious risk. You say you care greatly for your animals, I will take you at your word for that but how can you be doing all you can for them and in the same breath speak of taking risks? You are dead wrong to believe that a simple inspection is anywhere near as good as a QT. There is also no reasonable means to explain the absence of a QT, it's a choice to do so or not. Make all the excuses you wish, the simple fact is you choose not to.

I am not being rude to you, I am however being unyielding. I give no ground where it comes to the very simple step of a quarantine. If at anytime you think I have violated any rule on this board please feel free to report it. I can assure you that the Admin would not hesitate to boot me out of here. I have a forum here for a very simple reason, I know what I'm talking about and I don't bend just to keep the peace.

Cheers
Steve

 

[jezzeaepi]

"Please explain to me what would be gained by continuing this discourse? Seriously, what can we gain from each other?"

Im just defending myself against your allegations. Never have I said anywhere on here that I wouldnt put a fish in a hospital tank if it were to get sick. All I ever said was that for my tank, with 2 small fish, I dont see the purpose of setting up a permanent QT. As I stated before it is a space restraint. I live with a roomate in an apartment and having another tank permantly set up would not fly. A lot of people live with constraints as to how many tanks they can have. Having a hospital tank when things arrise would be fine, but that situation has not come up yet.

"I don't see how disagreeing also disrespects someone?"
It doesnt, but saying things like
"Nice attitude, it's unfortunate for the aniamls under your care.", and then I explain things to you and you tell me
"You either realize the benefits of a QT or you don't. Excuses are just that. ." Insinuating that I havent considered the merits of the QT, even though I jsut told you why I dont have one.
Then despite my best efforts to explain my ideas to you, you respond with
"My goodness. How sad for you, that life can be reduced to simple "bean counting". I do however realizing when I'm wasting my time on a particular individual ". And there you go reducing me again. Its a little more then you "disagreeing with me." You never make a single attempt to have a discourse with me, yet I made multiple attempts. At best your responses were single questions which you already presumed to know the answer too, and at worse, they were down right mean.

I never told others to do what I do, just explained how I do things because you asked. The ONLY thing I advised others to do was possibly not qt the xenia. They have a tendency to melt upon switching enviroments, and unless you have a well established qt with good flow, nutrients and light, I wouldnt do it.

"QT anything wet no matter where it comes from, friend, family, LFS or myself."

Well thats where you and me are different. If I got something from an established tank with no known problems, I am not going to worry. Most of the time I wont buy anything for a coule weeks anyways. Ill take a look at it, then come back in a few weeks and see how its doing.

And for the record I have no deaths or sicknesses and everything is doing great.

 

[steve-s]

I play with fire, I never QT =p Then again my tank is only 40 gallons so to each their own.

Im just defending myself against your allegations. Never have I said anywhere on here that I wouldnt put a fish in a hospital tank if it were to get sick. All I ever said was that for my tank, with 2 small fish, I dont see the purpose of setting up a permanent QT.

Don't you think those two posts are quite contradictory?
If you don't have a QT, how do you treat a sick fish?
Why you don't have a QT isn't relavent to the discussion anyway. You either have one or you choose not to.

At no time did anyone suggest a permanent Qt was necessary. You said you never QT and that is what was responded to. Re-read the thread.

Cheers
Steve

 

[Meche]

Steve, please go back and check out threads: #1, 5, 8, 9.

I think I wasn't clear in my first post.

OK, in my tank right now I have fish, crabs, snails, and LR. No corals. If I add some zoos and or Xenia, do I have to QT them?
My logic is; if the incoming zoos have parasites or worms or whatever, there would be no other compatible species for them to attack. And when the incoming zoo died of this infection/infestation the remaining bad living things would die off too since they don't have anymore food.
Does this sound right? Is there any reason the ich parasite would be hanging out in a zoo polyp?

Basically, I'm asking if ich (or any other common harmful parasite or disease that would effect my fish) could be transported into my tank by a zoo or Xenia. I read the thread you hyperlinked and I didn't think it applied to my situation because, using my current knowledge, there shouldn't be any risk of introducing nuidibrachs into my system because they would have no food to survive on other than the colony they rode-in-on.

What do you think?
Thanks,
Brett

 

[Brenden]

Basically, I'm asking if ich (or any other common harmful parasite or disease that would effect my fish) could be transported into my tank by a zoo or Xenia.

Yes it is def possible to transport parasite or disease into your tank with zoo, xenia, or any other coral.

 

[ronj]

i completely agree..i think Brett wants Steve's reaasurance on this, just to be certain

 

[steve-s]

As Brenden said, most definately yes but don't think in such a narrow scope. It would be nice if it where just that simple. There are many types of noxious pests that can be introduced that can affect all life in your tank to some degree, not just the fish. Some will be specifically dependant on food of certain species (like zoathuds) while others could consume a wide variety of food sources.

Hydroids, aiptasia, flatworms, predaceous polychaetes, limpets, whelks (many predaceous snail species), vermetids, isopods and urchins to name just a few.

Cheers
Steve

 

[steve-s]

harmful parasite or disease that would effect my fish) could be transported into my tank by a zoo or Xenia.

For the fish specifically, there are also many possibilities. C. irritans, trematodes/nematodes, isopods, A. ocellatum, Brooklynella (rarely), viral or bacterial contaminates (rarely), turbellarians, Uronema, Vibriosis and so on.

Cheers
Steve

 

[Meche]

10-4, thanks guys.