Need Advice On Quarantine Tank!

[Skipper J]

HLLE Problem On Quarantine Tank!Any Advice?

I just got a sohal tang 6days ago and I have noticed since day1 that there is several lesion on one side of the fish.I have done acclimatization and fresh water bath for about 2min anymore suggestion on what else is needed to be done is most welcome. The lesion looks like bite or sucking mark from a parasite of some sort can't really figure it out.Fish is swimming ok but I want to be safe before I put him in the display tank.Any Advice Everyone?Thanks

Joey

 

[Skipper J]

Looks like this is a Head & Lateral Line Erosion Disease per my research in the web. Disease description fits perfectly on what is said about it. Any quick cures out there please share.Thanks!!!

http://www.masla.com/fish/hlle.html
http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/headlledisease/a/aa040901.htm

Above are links that might help with other experiencing this to there fish!!!

Joey

 

[Maxx]

SkipperJ,

There really isnt a quick cure for HLLE...its something that takes a few months to take care of. Its thought one of the main reasons for HLLE is caused by a dietary deficiency. I would feed the fish Nori that has been soaked in Selcon and Garlic to boost the fishes immune system.

Here is a link to another article about HLLE.

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-06/sp/index.htm

Nick

 

[NaH2O]

Joey - I had a Kole tang get HLLE shortly after receiving it. I soaked its food in selcon, and fed Julian Sprung's Sea Veggies on a clip. The tang also started to eat mysis soaked in selcon. It took a few weeks, but finally it cleared up. Now I need to go read the article Nick linked.

 

[Skipper J]

Nick and Nikki very interesting article. :idea: I'm not sure if I'll feel lucky to have this challenge at this early stage in my reefing hobby as I attempt to cure and observe what really is happening. :lol: One thing I observed though is it start with a lump in the lateral line then comes out as a tiny hole not discoloration yet as shown in the article. Garlic :idea: will be an additional cure as I can't find a new stock of selcon here. Upon arrival I have been feeding Julian Sprungs Sea Veggies unsoaked with anything now I'll start adding vitamins!.

As this seems to be cause by a lot of reasons I'm planning a multi cure as well. Starting with your suggestions and a dose of METRONIDAZOLE(250mg) anti-biotic which I just got.I have also added Iodide in the tank.I will get Selcon as soon as I see one.I believed that this could also be a stress problem so by tomorrow I'm setting up a bigger hospital tank that is presently being use with freshwater species.

So far the tang is eating well but I have observed additional lesion near the tale section.

I'll keep you posted on the progress.Thanks Again!

Joey

 

[NaH2O]

Joey - I also noticed "lumps" prior to the holes on mine. Good idea on the larger QT....I think the larger tank will make the tang feel more comfortable. Keep us posted on the tang's progress!

 

[Skipper J]

Hello Everyone,Photo update on the HLLE progression on my Sohal Tang.On the 8 of June I started feeding blood worm and see veggies dip in Vita Chem.I have also started antibiotic medications at 250mgeveryday.By June 9 I have transferred the Tang into a 10gal QT tank as I continue vitamin replenishment and METRONIDAZOLE(250mg). I have also been adding about 5ml of Iodide in the water column.Appetite of the fish is good and it stays active!

 

[Skipper J]

Suceeding days!

 

[Skipper J]

Tonight I'm adding additional dose on the anti biotics!I'll keep you posted!

Nikki I have just read your thread when you had a clam problem.What a headache!This is where I got the idea of additonal dose.Cheers!

Joey

 

[NaH2O]

Joey - how's the tang doing? I was concerned that this may be more than HLLE because of the dark blotches on the fish towards the back of the body.

 

[Skipper J]

Hi Nikki - The tang is getting better his eating the veggie like a rabbit now. It responded well with the medication. Actually I was also thinking if I have diagnosed it correctly as well.The last pic on the 12 June shows the flesh wound that came out from those dark blotches.After a day or two it healed and I stop the anti biotic but I notice a fin rot on the tail so after changing half of the tank water I waited a day before I treated it with PARA Guard. I have additional pics taken today.Do you have any idea of another disease with symtomps similar to this?.I quite puzzled as well.Again thanks for dropping by!

 

[steve-s]

Metronidazole is best used with protozoan issues. You really should look into a more directed approach using a gram negative antibiotic. Nitrofurazone based preferabley 30mg/gal for 3-5 days (no water changes). If unavailable you can use Maracyn II at double the dose each day for 7 full days.

By the looks of the red area's, it's either a Vibrio problem or pH related. You can try several large water changes with well aged/aerated SW first to see if there's any improvement before trying the other meds, if not I would use an alternate treatment.

Cheers
Steve

 

[Boomer]

It looks to me like some of these spots are red, is that so ? . For other reasons that I fear I would continue the PARA-Guard. One ca not always look at a fish and tell what it has, as many diseases can mimic. None of these drugs you listed are anti-biotics. You should get something like Minocycline (Maracyn II) or Neomycin or Kanamycin. Do not add till you see what the PAR is doing first, meaning worse or better. Do not add till you post back first, as the dosage on these is very misleading on the instructions......INCORRECT

 

[Boomer]

I see Steve and I posted at the same time and I pretty much agree. Nitrofurazone is also fine but I like drugs that are easily absorbed like those I listed. One of my fears was Vibrio, as is Uronema ( a parasite which is cured with PARA). Uro is often mis-ID as a bacterial infection and looks allot like yours. That does not mean it is. Both Vibrio and Uro are very nasty diseases, especially Uro

 

[steve-s]

Uro is often mis-ID as a bacterial infection and looks allot like yours.

Too true, which is why I suggested Nitrofurazone as the primary. It is affective against Uronema as well except in the advanced stages, then you might need SW formalin baths..

Cheers
Steve

 

[Boomer]

in the advanced stages then you might need SW formalin baths..

I do not buy that . As the parasite multiplies and spreads internally.

Yes, I have heard that Nitrofurazone or Methylene Blue work but he already has PARA which is Malachite Green based. I know you can use Mala and Nitro together but PARA also has aldehydes and I'm not to sure about that with Nitro.

 

[steve-s]

I wouldn't have thought Paraguard to be very effective with Vibrio though?

Cheers
Steve

 

[Boomer]

Aldehydes, which are in PARA are effective against bacterial infections, as is Malachite Green and I don't think Nitrofurazone, is as effective as Neomycin, Minocycline, Kentamycin, Gentamicin, Terramycin or even Streptomycin. I have never had good luck with Furan's and dosage recommendations are all over the place. Noga gives Nitro @ 7.6 mg /gal ( FW ?) and Bassleer @ 1.5 g / 100 l ( 60 mg /gal) SW. Malachite Green is much more effective against Uro than Nitrofurazone and MG is the "drug " of choice. I would worry about Uro first, as death can result in a few days. Neither Bassleer or Noga list Nitrofurazone as a drug of choice for Vibrio, but Bassleer does mention Nifurpirinol. So I guess we are kinda stuck between a rock and a had place For 20 years I have followed Bassleer, who has at least in this hobby, studied marine diseases more than anybody and is a marine fish pathologist. For him it is treat for parasites first before dumping in anti's.

 

[steve-s]

Thanks for clearing up the misdirection is such detail.

Cheers
Steve

 

[Skipper J]

Boomer, Steve Thanks for sharing your knowledge about the subject!This is really very helpful. At the moment the sohal is doing find.Lesion looks like subsiding. I'm continuing the use of PARAGuard while I am seeing improvement on the fish skin.I will post pics later in the morning.Got to go to bed... need to work early tomorrow.