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ROFL! Overtime!:p

Solve no crime before overtime! Thanks Maxx and Krish for the welcome back. I'll be all over this place when I have the time. Got an atta boy for some work I did, can't get too wordy about it but I'll be in Federal court if the two fight it.

Krish, no worries, I've dealt with many of Uncle Sam's Misguided Children before and I do have a Louisville slugger to pound any of my points across....:badgrin:
 
Solve no crime before overtime! Thanks Maxx and Krish for the welcome back. I'll be all over this place when I have the time. Got an atta boy for some work I did, can't get too wordy about it but I'll be in Federal court if the two fight it.

Krish, no worries, I've dealt with many of Uncle Sam's Misguided Children before and I do have a Louisville slugger to pound any of my points across....:badgrin:

Good to go...I've been notified one of my case will be going federal as well...I doubt it'll go to trial as I've got the guy dead to rights...his voluntary confession and the video footage showing his face doesnt hurt either...

Bring a big bat....
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Nick
 
Goni update.

Ill let the previous and new pics speak the 1000 words, anyone can give me a positive ID on what appears to be a polyp, the large yellowish one on the right of the the new sister colony?
 
Notice the tissue growth, its taking over the the skeleton. Yes, before I get taken to the woodshed, I do have a bubble problem and I think a small mithrax might do the trick. Only 16 shopping days left, your old Uncle Mike likes small electronics only......
 
Mike,
that part of the picture is a little blurry so its tough to see for sure. Might be either a protopalythoa, (Big species of Zooanthid) or it might be a pest anemone of somesort. If you goniopera isnt getting burned, I'd bet money on the big Zoo theory.

Rather than buy a mithrax, I'd suggest doing a water change buy draining water into a bucket, save the water and pull the rock out and scrub it with a toothbrush, (not your wife's either...thats a no no before xmas....less you want to the next contestant on "Find a warm place to sleep in Chicago in Dec"), in the old tank water.

Discard the water afterwards as the bubble algea contains spores. Every time one pops, you release 1000's of spores to make more bubbles...
If you scrub the rock gently in the bucket of old tank water, you prevent them from running amok in your tank.
I've also used epoxy over the rock after scrubbing to prevent the return of bubble algae.

Looks good though! Congrats on the new colony!

Nick
 
Thanks Nick, Ill give it the old college try. In regards to the polyp, I looked at a bunch of protopalythoas and as I did a few pics of neozoanthus looked more like what I got. Funny thing is, that they are not like other zoa's in that they appear to be non colonial. I'll try an overhead when I have the time. And kudos to our SWAT team for doing the right thing yesterday.
 
kudos to our SWAT team for doing the right thing yesterday.

Yeah, I thought about you when I read that lat night. All over him thinking he'd been cheated out of money from a toilet design he invented...
:rolleyes:

Glad they stopped him before it got worse.....

Nick
 
congrats with your goni... I'm envious with such beautiful goni...i tried having the stokesi and it just fade away-had problem with brown jelly.

congrats and hope to see more goni info in your thread!!
 
What you get when you cross animal with plant....

...or I had a really messed up childhood.

This will be a "primer" of sorts to get us all in the proper frame of mind (put down the bong dude). I will not try to get all medieval here and force fancy dead languages down your throat. I look at half the taxinomic names of these things and Farsi looks easier to pronounce. Sit back, pop open a cold one and enjoy the ride....

Reef: Just like a party, you need to meet certain conditions for it to fit the mold. Lets see, bad 80's music, couple two tree cases of Pabst blue ribbon, strobe lights and finally, people. Well, some may argue that people would not show up to a party under these conditions, but you should meet some of my old friends.... In order to have a reef a few things must be present: salt water, motile marine animals and of course corals. Love and marriage... Now we are recreating said reef in our own abodes. So add a tank, pumps, heater buckets, artificial lighting, flintlock pistol, a bottle of Bushmills, but I digress. You get the point. Why go half assed and just have a fish only system. Might as well spend the cash we earn. Money in a mattress only collects dust.

Corals Since we got the first two lets have partial interlocution about the third. WTF are corals anyway? I liken them to the missing link between plant and animal. Note: I will not get into a debate about creationism versus evolution. I have my own opinions and if you buy me a round one night I will bore you death about them. Some are hard, some soft, some like light, others not so much, some actively capture and eat prey, others just suck out nutrients out of the water column. So its easy to see how confusing this all is. Just a few points to keep in mind when thinking about corals and the new nano tank.

1. Heterotroph = the eater corals. Having to target feed a coral means their lighting needs are not as strong as compared to the Autotroph = the wallflower corals. The catch to this is, water quality quickly goes south unless you heavily skimming your tank.

2. Some corals deplete calcium rather quickly from your water for growth. Knowing which corals do and by testing daily will help to figure out if you need to dose or not.

3. Some of these creatures like to actively get rid of their neighbors via various nasty tricks in their arsenals. Spacing of aggresive and passive subjects es muy importante.

4. Some of these corals can quickly outgrow your little tank. Growth in my opinion is the bench mark we have to prove success, reproduction is a bonus.


Keeping these in mind, do as much research as possible. I know my lighting will not support certain corals, so I don't bother. That should be your attitude also. Look for small frags, if they like the conditions you give them then they will grow. I started with one blue mushroom, I now have six. One stalk of xenia has turned into bimonthly fragging. I won't go into the goni but read above posts. If an utter moron like myself can achieve this in just over a year in the hobby, imagine what a person in the mensa club could do.....I'll get into softies next time. Sometime during the week. Yahk-shee-mash.
 
Xeniidae

"Now thats a crabgrass problem, Mister" Tim Allen once said. I bring this up because of my experience with these soft corals is that they can get out of control quickly. I've posted many times before that I have a "dirty" tank. Some old salts cringe when I tell them what my readings are, yet they hum in disbelief when I show them pictures of my inhabitants.

I started with a six dollar stalk of xenia, now I frag once every 10-12 days. My clown uses the four stalks that have attached to the back wall as his bed. I am not kidding.

They reproduce asexually, by "walking off" the parent colony. Longitudinal fission for all you Rhodes scholars out there. Best way I can describe it in a court of law is this: the stalk expands, the root/foot/rubbery, solid, snot, tissue, thing-a-ma-jig, secures itself to a non moving surface, pulling part of the stalk away from it's original anchor point. It does this till you have whaaaaa-la, a second stalk, and just like those dumb late 70's shampoo commercials "...and so on and, so on...."

Many debates and fewer "studies" have terrorized the reason on why these corals pulse. Lowered pH seems to be a common explanation. I do see less activity when the pH is lower. When I add FW as make up for evap. They curdle up for a time, basically giving moi the razzleberries :p . When they are touched by yours truely. This is great for fragging so you can see what you are cutting.:badgrin: Water changes, the list could go on and on, but I also have a theory based on no scientific fact, almost a year of observation: more nitrates, less pulse. I think that the pulsing helps them take in DOM in which they feed on. Less out there, the more actively they are attempting to capture it. More available the less work. I know I'm getting flamed for this, but it's my story and I'm sticking to it....

You do not directly feed these babies, they suck it out of the water column. Easy as pie (I've tried baking a pie before and that is bull crap). Which leads me to this, if your tank is pristine, you may not have success with the pom pom squad as I never did in high school...

Last point to make, kinda sorta, if you start fragging any tissue left behind will more then likely regrow a new stalk. You can get "mini mee's" all over the place. I'm glad they have not extended the ban on cloning with corals. I'd be sitting in Levenworth by now. Ciao, and have a Merry Christmas, Mike.
 
Actinodiscus Discosoma

...or the thing that cannot die! Being a B-horror movie junkie I've always been fascinated by freakish looking people, blood, gore and mayhem. Maybe that is why I really love my job. It started out growing up, saturday nights, Creature Feature, seeing all the classics and great horror stars, Cheney Jr., Lugosi, Karloff, Price et al. Now keeping this in the back of your mind, we would go to the Wisconsin state fair, Lake county fair and possibly Dupage county every summer. I'd beg for the quarter, dime, or nickel to walk into the freak shows. Two headed calf, first in line, alligator man, I was on my dad's shoulders so I could see the dude with the bad case of eczesma(sp). WTF Mike, how does this relate to false corals?

The normal type of reef aquaria mushroom we've all seen or kept, does not capture prey like a venus fly trap so what gives? Ever see this sucker puke it's guts out of it's mouth? You have not lived yet, son. The kicker is they get them back in them. Beats watching a mini camera's tour of Katie Couric's colon every year!!!!

Lighting and flow need to be on the lower end. Placement being low if your lighting is like that of the Carribean. I've never seen my blue shrooms actively accept food... Yet I started with one and now have six. You cannot kill these monsters. I don't think resurrecting Steve McQueen would save us from this menace of the deep blue sea.

The publications I've perused say they gain their nutrition via the menagey they trios, uptake through the water, symbiotic micro algae and limited scraps of matter that gets caught up in its mucus. Like I've said before, I've yet to see mine actively eat. Subdued lighting keeps the zooxanthellae from over taking and turning your beautiful green shroom brown.

If a mushroom does not like it's lot in life, it just walks away. I exaggerated a bit this process can take a week or longer to do so but I've seen it happen. This is also an asexual reproduction strategy.

All in all. The "stereotypical " mushroom that comes to mind when someone says they have a few in their tank. Hardy don't need super nova lighting and size make it a perfect addition to any nano. I'm taking a break, I start school Tuesday and have a few honey do's that need to get done before Sunday. Have a Merry Christmas and prosperos anos. Mike.
 
Lo siento por favor....

Sorry folks that I haven't been able to update in a while. Lets me esplain to you peoples: I got promoted. As with anything in life, you get the bad with the good. I got a really sizable raise, but since I'm low man, I get to work midnights. Takes 15 minutes to get to work, but 40-60 on the way home. So I get to bed at 10am and not up till 4 or 5pm. Glad I have a the support of my family, otherwise, it would really bite. Anyhoo, I will make an attempt to back to a 'reverse' normal lifestyle and start to post again. You have to take a gander at my neon green blasto colony, wish I had a black light and not be drug tested..... Please be safe, and I'll holler at you all later, Mike.
 
Good to hear from you again....

I was worried all the new authority had gone to your head and you didnt feel the need to give up dates on things...

:D

Nick
 
Bite me, Nick. 1st watch is rough, but I'm managing it. I'll have something up in the next day or two.
 
Its ALIVE!!!!!!!!

Got worried about you man. I'm guessing things are difficult w/ a young kid and getting up early. Hope all is well w/ you guys. I'm stuck on midnights...
:rolleyes:
 
My new addition.

Sorry no pic, (friggin camera is not 3 year old-proof). After qting the little buddy, I put my lime green blasto colony in it's new niche. Because of the lower wattage and intensity of my lighting, I thought the colony would do better closer to the source. I did not get any expansion after a day, so moved it down three inches and viola, looking like a high school senior the morning after his prom night (most...). I really like the fact that it draws the eye's attention to it with just a quick scan. The goni's darkening and fleshing out more. So as soon as I get my super secret quarterly check I will have camera and pix for all you voyeurs out in radio land. And if you have seen the tape of our latest choir boy, I'm deeply embarrassed. We're are not at all like that fool. Ciao, Miguel.
 
Mike,
Glad to hear the new job, long hours, and kid arent sapping your humor. Glad to hear the new addition is doing well in the tank. Also glad to hear the Goni continues to do well...

Dont sweat the fool in the bar...anyone w/ half a brain knows one clown doesnt represent the whole circus...

Keep your chin up and dont let the media take the fun out your job.

Nick
 

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