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Curtswearing
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This product is nothing new. It's been around a while. Zeolite
Here's more info.
I have an initial opinion but I tend to be conservative initially. I've not seen any scientific proof one way nor the other. However, my "doubting Thomas" nature tends to make me ask some questions regarding their advertisements. I hope I don't seem too judgemental but I am.
My predjudice is clear. However, that's just my initial leaning at the moment. I'm more than willing to disagree with myself at a later date if it becomes necessary. However, to me.....taking bad things out of the water seems to be a better solution than adding things to the water. Look at how many products they want you to buy....
Captive Oceans
This product is nothing new. It's been around a while. Zeolite
Here's more info.
I have an initial opinion but I tend to be conservative initially. I've not seen any scientific proof one way nor the other. However, my "doubting Thomas" nature tends to make me ask some questions regarding their advertisements. I hope I don't seem too judgemental but I am.
Won't a Phosphate remover accomplish same? The browning of SPS is due to the zoox being on a sugar-high. Did they figure out a way to remove P with zeolite?
Who cares....see this thread on polyp extension. Throw a teaspoon of sugar in your tank and watch the polyps move due to chemoreception.
That's ALWAYS my recommendation. We get so many trace elements from our food that I think we should do water changes to reduce our trace elements and not the other way around. Alternatively, Iron has a great attraction for P. Maybe there's a connection.
I normally like my KH on the high end of that scale but telling someone to closely replicate nature doesn't seem to be a big deal in my mind.
My predjudice is clear. However, that's just my initial leaning at the moment. I'm more than willing to disagree with myself at a later date if it becomes necessary. However, to me.....taking bad things out of the water seems to be a better solution than adding things to the water. Look at how many products they want you to buy....
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wouldnt just getting a majorly over driven skimmer, running carbon, and a p-reactor do the same... even add a uv sterilizer for good measure... for my new set up i will using a huge skimmer, one rated for twice my water vollume, just so i can get everything nasty out of my water, i too am skeptical, however i have read reports that this works wondrs, so i want tons of opinions before i invest hundreds of dollars into it
Curtswearing
Mantisfreak
I understand how your second method works and why. I don't understand how ZEOvit works and that concerns me.
Ed Hahn
Life is A Highway...
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=262217&highlight=Zeovit....I have been reading about this for a while..
Curtswearing
Mantisfreak
I have researched them further.....I'm not impressed.
They are dosing Iron to adsorb Phosphates and then skimming it out. They are selling bacteria to help facultative bacteria populate their media when waiting a day or so would accomplish same. I have never read before where adding amino acids would promote coloration. That is a function of proteins already in the coral and the color spectrum of your lighting.
If you remove excess Phosphates and Nitrates from any SPS system, then you will achieve better coloration. You don't need a whole bunch of products to do that....good husbandry is all that is required.
They are dosing Iron to adsorb Phosphates and then skimming it out. They are selling bacteria to help facultative bacteria populate their media when waiting a day or so would accomplish same. I have never read before where adding amino acids would promote coloration. That is a function of proteins already in the coral and the color spectrum of your lighting.
If you remove excess Phosphates and Nitrates from any SPS system, then you will achieve better coloration. You don't need a whole bunch of products to do that....good husbandry is all that is required.
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badspstank
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I have been doing tons of research and what I have found out is that the method does work but like everything else it has its draw backs phosban kick that crashed so many tank. I'm no expert but good old fashion house keeping water changes and a very large skimmer it can been done with out all this other experiments going on.I have been down that round a lost very rare fish and very rare corals never again jmo
RedEyeReef
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tagging along, Am I missing the subscribe button at the bottom?
Curtswearing
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RedEyeReef,
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Maxx
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RedEye....
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I know its in a weird place...gave me fits until I figured it out,
Nick
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I know its in a weird place...gave me fits until I figured it out,
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RedEyeReef
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Thanks guys.
well ive been in furthur discussions with a zeovit dealer, i actually have an order placed, but i had it put on hold till i can truely decide what to do. now curt you say i can accomplish the same results (coral coloration), i have seen a many nice tanks but the coral coloration on the zeovit tanks is bar none better... most of the sps tanks ( not all) but most in the us do have a brown tinge.. on all zeovit tanks that i have seen where it has been used for a while, the coloration is through and through..
Curtswearing
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What causes browing in SPS???
The biggest answer is excess nutrients. Zoox appears brown to us. They contain mostly Periden which looks red to us but also has some Chlorophyll which is obviously green. Slap those puppies together....ya got brown.
If your SPS are looking brown, should you spend a bunch of money on things to add to your tank? The cheaper option is to limit and subsequently remove as many nutrients as possible so the zoox aren't on a sugar high and reproducing with abandon. The excess zoox causes a brown look.
The color spectrum of your lighting has great effect as well. However, lighting should only be considered after stripping the water of as many nutrients as possible.
The biggest answer is excess nutrients. Zoox appears brown to us. They contain mostly Periden which looks red to us but also has some Chlorophyll which is obviously green. Slap those puppies together....ya got brown.
If your SPS are looking brown, should you spend a bunch of money on things to add to your tank? The cheaper option is to limit and subsequently remove as many nutrients as possible so the zoox aren't on a sugar high and reproducing with abandon. The excess zoox causes a brown look.
The color spectrum of your lighting has great effect as well. However, lighting should only be considered after stripping the water of as many nutrients as possible.
badspstank
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That is why its best to over skim your tank if you can, to remove the nutriet build up
NaH2O
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All systems are different in how they are maintained. SPS systems that have a high nutrient load may not see the growth you are looking for. Even systems with a refugium full of macroalgaes may experience hindered growth due to the toxins leached from the algae. IMO, the overall system should be evaluated before more supplements are added to a system.
Curtswearing
Mantisfreak
well most systems in the us use refugiums... the majority is for nutrient export.. and consumption by macro alages but also for the production of pods... now as you stated toxins from the macros are leached back into the display... so we need to figure out a way to get rid of these toxins.... this is where the us lacks imo in the hobby...
nikki i understand where your coming from with the evaluation in the system before supplements are added. this is going to be a "fresh start", a brand new set up. putting zeovit aside, how would i achive the same results... heavy skimming, running carbon, uv sterilizer, phosban reactor, water changes.... and would you even say a refugium...with zeovit theres no fuge, no uv, no phosban.
now just a quck accumilation of costs here...
i took products form good sources.. (marine depot, premium aquactics) for my new tank of 210 gallons. with a 100 gal sump..
uv sterolizer from marine depot- Aqua UV 57W 2in w/ Wiper UV Sterilizer 294.95
eheim External Filter 2260 -249.99 with out media (marine depot)
ROWAphos 1000ml 64.95 (marine depot)
carbon- 39.99
lr and live sand well play fair and add 200 bucks...
sump 48x22x20- 800
using zeovit from captiveoceans
sump $800 (same as above)
Filter L with 110V dry/submersible pump = $399.00
media 1 liter = $19.99
zeostart Concentrate 500ml = $69.99
zeoback 50ml bottle = $89.99
zeofood Concentrate 100ml = $39.99
carbon Concentrate 100ml = $39.99
amino acid 100ml = $59.99
potassium 100ml = $64.99
iron 100ml = $39.99
zeospur 500 ml = $69.99
the us way- 1649.88
the zeovit way- 1683.92
now cost is bassixally the same by my calculations but im not good at math and i didnt have a calculator so i did it free hand so there might be a mistake... anyway
you get the same functions... but better color and better growth for 40 bucks.... hmmm
nikki i understand where your coming from with the evaluation in the system before supplements are added. this is going to be a "fresh start", a brand new set up. putting zeovit aside, how would i achive the same results... heavy skimming, running carbon, uv sterilizer, phosban reactor, water changes.... and would you even say a refugium...with zeovit theres no fuge, no uv, no phosban.
now just a quck accumilation of costs here...
i took products form good sources.. (marine depot, premium aquactics) for my new tank of 210 gallons. with a 100 gal sump..
uv sterolizer from marine depot- Aqua UV 57W 2in w/ Wiper UV Sterilizer 294.95
eheim External Filter 2260 -249.99 with out media (marine depot)
ROWAphos 1000ml 64.95 (marine depot)
carbon- 39.99
lr and live sand well play fair and add 200 bucks...
sump 48x22x20- 800
using zeovit from captiveoceans
sump $800 (same as above)
Filter L with 110V dry/submersible pump = $399.00
media 1 liter = $19.99
zeostart Concentrate 500ml = $69.99
zeoback 50ml bottle = $89.99
zeofood Concentrate 100ml = $39.99
carbon Concentrate 100ml = $39.99
amino acid 100ml = $59.99
potassium 100ml = $64.99
iron 100ml = $39.99
zeospur 500 ml = $69.99
the us way- 1649.88
the zeovit way- 1683.92
now cost is bassixally the same by my calculations but im not good at math and i didnt have a calculator so i did it free hand so there might be a mistake... anyway
you get the same functions... but better color and better growth for 40 bucks.... hmmm
i hope you dont think i am arguing im not, curt thanks for the link, now i see what they are saying and i am wondering why are alot of people still against it. the media isnt you main filter, you lr is still the main biological filter proccessing amonia tries and trates... the filter just rids the tank of the leftovers from the lr...
