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TWallace

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I've been keeping clams in my tank for about a year and a half. In that time, I never had one die until 2 months ago when my newest maxima died. I only had it about a month and a half and in that time it usually was gaping and never really looked fantastic. It was pretty small, around 2.5" and I attributed its death to not adapting well to my system and possibly needing food (I wasn't feeding it).

Then, about a week and a half later my other small maxima died. I had that one for about 5 months and it looked fine until the day it died. Again it was a small clam and I figured maybe it was a food issue.

But then a week or so later my favorite crocea died. I had this one for 15 months and it was always healthy and well beyond the size where some people say food is required (it was about 4"). It's the one that is in my avatar.

Now I start thinking maybe I introduced a predator. So I checked my clams for pyramidellid snails and found none. A couple days go by and my largest crocea (5") starts looking bad, kinda like pinched mantle, not expanding properly. I've read that most people do FW dips for pinched mantle and since my clams were dying, I thought nothing to lose. Well, it never recovered from the 20 minute FW dip and died a day later.

A couple days later my last crocea starts looking bad. Again I checked for pyramidellid snails and found none. It dies the next day.

Now I'm down to 1 clam, a derasa which is the first clam I bought. It's about 6-7". The mantle isn't expanding all the way and the inside of the shell is visible above the edge of the mantle at times. In desperation, I removed it from the tank and put it in my QT which was filled with newly mixed Instant Ocean. As a side note, my QT is running at all times with live rock, a couple snails, emerald crabs and a hermit. I do this to promote breeding of live food (copepods, amphipods, mysis shrimp) so that when I add a new fish to it, there's plenty of live food for them to eat. So, my QT is a very stable environment, as far as QTs go. Within half an hour of adding the derasa to the QT, it looks magnificent. Full expansion, and "happy as a clam" as they say. It's hours later now, and it still looks great.

My conclusion at this point is that there must be a contaminant in the water in the main system, like a heavy metal perhaps. Thing is, I have lots of corals and inverts in there and none of them have been dying or looking unhealthy. All my acros still have great polyp expansion and color. LPS and softies all look great, too. I have 5 shrimp, tons of snails and hermit crabs and I haven't seen any of them die.

Two days ago I started running carbon (I don't normally run it), but it didn't seem to help the clam. I've left it running anyway, and have changed out the carbon today. I'm not sure how often you're supposed to change it (I think 2-4 weeks?).

At this point I'm happy that I've apparently saved the clam, but I can't keep it in the main system. Luckily it's a derasa, so it should be ok with the PC lights in the QT for a while. Obviously a crocea or maxima wouldn't tolerate that for long.

Here are my parameters in the main system:
Alk 7.0 dKH
pH 8.19
Temp 80 F
Nitrates 0.25ppm
Magnesium 1230ppm
Calcium 395ppm

Weeks ago I started adding epsom salt to increase magnesium in an attempt to kill off remnants of bryopsis. When the clams started going south, I started doing frequent large water changes (50% every couple of days) in an attempt to remove the epsom salt from the water. I don't think the epsom salt had anything to do with it, though, now.

Here's a pic of the underside of the derasa I took today before moving it to the QT. There's a tiny snail in the "hinge" but I don't think it's a pyramidellid. I think it's a collonista that was just hiding from the light in the daytime. Pardon the large image size, but it's a tiny snail. I've included an astrea in the pic for comparison.

http://tom-wallace.com/images/reef/122007/derasa.jpg

A few months ago I fashioned a lid to prevent jumping fish. It's got a stainless steel frame, with aluminum window screen tied to it for a fish barrier. I have noticed some rush on parts of the stainless steel frame and am now worried that it's leaching bad metals into my tank. But still, I would have thought it would be more than clams dying if that was the case. I will look into alternatives to this lid, but I can't remove it now. I've got a few firefish, a fairy wrasse and a gold diamond goby, all of which are known to be jumpers.

Lighting on my tank is 2 x 250w 12k Reeflux (bulbs are about 2 months old) with 2 x 54w T5 actinic supplementation. I've also added a new 33g sump (custom made from a local craftsman) and a Euro-Reef RS100 skimmer at the same time. I was previously running skimmerless.
 
Tom, I had almost the exact same thing happen at the same rate. My only culpret was too high alk. All corals and fish doing awesome, all clams save for one derasa died.
 
it might not be a bad idea to cross-check your water parameters with new tests (or take a water sample to a LFS for testing)
 
It could have been alot of things. A temp swing will cause this, with the weakest dieing first and so on. I'm not a fan of fresh water dips but I am a big fan of carbon. Even healthy clams always seem to look much better after a carbon change. I wouldnt keep clams without running lots of carbon 24/7.

Don
 
I'm going through the exact same thing right now. My maxima (8 inches) has been in the tank over a year.... and had been in another tank before that. Crinched up about a week ago (along with several of the croceas)... today is gaping and will likely be dead by tomorrow. One crocea is crinched up - the others are ok (at least for now).... I'm also noticing my duncan is not extended... but the rest of corals and fish seem perfect....

Also an Instant Ocean user -

What have you been feeding your tank? (I've been feeding Hikari mysis)... I'm wondering if somehow I've introduced a clam pest on the food? I haven't added anything else that I can think of...
 
The first thing I would try is about a qt of good carbon in a mesh bag If your tank is bigger than 100g then I would use even more.

Dob
 
Dob:), it is a Medusa so temp stays within one degree

Interesting but sad coincidence,

Actually, I've heard that there have been a number of folks with these same problems going on - I had mentioned it to the guys at Barrier Reef and they said they've had the same issue, as have a few of customers. Clams crinch up, come back out and then die.
 
I am experiencing the same problem. Lost all my clams, just have a dersa left that is not showing any symptoms. I bought some clams from Clams Direct about a month ago and after a couple of weeks they started dying and then a few weeks later the others (been in the tank for years) started dying too.

All SPS and fish are fine. 375 gallon tank running carbon 24/7. I have no explanation for it as all tank parameters have remained good throughout.
 
Interesting that Barrier Reef is also experiencing this. I don't want to point fingers, but this did all start after I bought a small maxima from them. That was the first one to die. My 3 croceas came from Clams Direct, the derasa from Live Aquaria and my other maxima from a local hobbyist. I will definitely continue to shop there, though, it's by far my favorite LFS.

My derasa is still looking great in my QT this morning, though he doesn't seem happy on top of the rocks in there. He keeps shifting around. He never did like being on rocks, so I had to let him be on the sand in my display tank.
 
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One of my croceas spawned a couple of days before dying, but I didn't notice the others do that.


Clams spawn usually due to stress for one reason or another. 99% of the time the problem is starring you in the face.

My buddy just found out his aquatronica was shooting up his temps to over 90 about three times a month. We installed a second data logger for two months to find this out, cost him 6 clams and many sps.

Ammonia and nitrate spikes are another one that takes alot of effort to diagnose but are much more common than most believe. Just getting a single low reading now and again does not mean your not causing them.

Also turbo snails are a good aid in diagnoses. They are fairly fragile. If have lots of them but are constantly finding empy shells then chances are pretty good there is a water quality issue.


Don
 
Interesting that Barrier Reef is also experiencing this. I don't want to point fingers, but this did all start after I bought a small maxima from them. That was the first one to die. My 3 croceas came from Clams Direct, the derasa from Live Aquaria and my other maxima from a local hobbyist. I will definitely continue to shop there, though, it's by far my favorite LFS.

My derasa is still looking great in my QT this morning, though he doesn't seem happy on top of the rocks in there. He keeps shifting around. He never did like being on rocks, so I had to let him be on the sand in my display tank.

i'm tacking along,,,very interesting tread when everybody having the same problem at once
 
I haven't added any livestock from their system into my tank at all - so I couldn't have introduced anything from there - also, they lost at least one in their small system - not part of the main system.

I'm actually wondering whether there is either something airborne that is introducing a pathogen that is clam-specific (or is finding clams appealing) or if I've introduced something through feeding of frozen foods....

my calcium's been a bit low, but that appears to have been the only thing off-base....

Interesting that Barrier Reef is also experiencing this. I don't want to point fingers, but this did all start after I bought a small maxima from them. That was the first one to die. My 3 croceas came from Clams Direct, the derasa from Live Aquaria and my other maxima from a local hobbyist. I will definitely continue to shop there, though, it's by far my favorite LFS.

My derasa is still looking great in my QT this morning, though he doesn't seem happy on top of the rocks in there. He keeps shifting around. He never did like being on rocks, so I had to let him be on the sand in my display tank.
 
Clams spawn usually due to stress for one reason or another. 99% of the time the problem is starring you in the face.

My buddy just found out his aquatronica was shooting up his temps to over 90 about three times a month. We installed a second data logger for two months to find this out, cost him 6 clams and many sps.

Ammonia and nitrate spikes are another one that takes alot of effort to diagnose but are much more common than most believe. Just getting a single low reading now and again does not mean your not causing them.

Also turbo snails are a good aid in diagnoses. They are fairly fragile. If have lots of them but are constantly finding empy shells then chances are pretty good there is a water quality issue.


Don

My ammonia and nitrites are as close to zero as one can get. The tank has a massive amount of rock, sand bed, packed fuge, running a bubblemaster, and do water changes. My snails are breeding in lieu of dying and everything besides the clams are doing 100% excellent. My medusa temp controller keeps the temp steady.
 

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