More problems..I just can't win!

[Willy]

Temp is around 79





Thanks Nikki, I'll let you know..I have to start work at the Abyss tonight and I am not sure if I'll be working Thursday and Fri....Sat I work At PA..

Dang shes gonna miss the FRAGORAMA/RAFFLEFEST

 

[BTTRFLYGRL]

Dang shes gonna miss the FRAGORAMA/RAFFLEFEST

Oh well

 

[Willy]

I'll try to take some pics and then let you know all about it next time I see you at PA LOL.

Hope your fish get better...I must say I am very impressed that you have stuck with it and tried to get them healthy..big thumbs up!!

 

[BTTRFLYGRL]

Well, The Whiteface has taken a turn for the worse I did a water change late last night and again added Prazipro..This morning , you could see spots then later when I turned on the lights to feed he looked as though his skin was sloughing offI wasn't sure what was going on..I unfortunatly had things going on today and when I returned from work at 8pm he look HORRIBLE! Polkadots and peeling skin..he is sitting on the bottom, breathing heavy. I did a water change and replaced the carbon. I had been dropping the sg very slowly, this morning it reached 1.010..I am not sure if this had something to do with it. Hypo+ Prazipro?
So the Hippo now looks better than the Whiteface..I am not he's going to make it. I am wondering if this is a secondary infection but I am too scared to add anymore meds at this point..I will have Nikki come take a pic if he makes it

 

[steve-s]

Have you checked the ph/alk and the nitrogens? Sounds like the pH has fallen off.

Cheers
Steve

 

[BTTRFLYGRL]

They were fine earlier..I will check again. The Hippo is okay which is why I don't think its the water. I add Kent Buffer to the new water also, I have never had issues doing it this way.. I'll check again..The Whiteface is covered in white splotches. I don't see him making it

 

[steve-s]

If the water chem checks out and you still feel the Prazi is the issue, do a large water change, run some carbon and wait a few days to reassess how to proceed. FWIW, Praziquantel should have no adverse reaction to the hypo.

The only real next step I can see is to rely soley on the formalin dips :?:

Cheers
Steve

 

[BTTRFLYGRL]

Well, he's still alive. Spots are still there but the sloughing seems to have stopped. Nikki is coming over this afternoon to get a pic so that will help out a lot. I am really leaning towards this being bacterial. I am getting ready to do another water change now. Carbon has been in since last night. I am going to hold off on the dips for now, he appears too weak at this point.
It is really strange how fast this came on Very frustrating too..I wish my fish had ich! Thats easy:razz:

 

[steve-s]

Spots are still there but the sloughing seems to have stopped..... I am really leaning towards this being bacterial.

I'll wait on the pics, I'm really hoping they add some clarity to this problem. A bacterial problem setting in from their activity would not be uncommon at all.
Are you still seeing evidence of the parasite itself or just the after effects?

Cheers
Steve

 

[BTTRFLYGRL]

I am seeing what looks like the 'strings'. He looks bad but what really concerns me is the fact that he has been sitting on the bottom.Leaning on things at times and even laying on the bottom. I expect this from my Hippo but this fish is usually much more active.

 

[BTTRFLYGRL]

Another problem....if I do treat for bacterial, which one of my many meds do I use

Never had to decide when I just kept Furan-2

 

[steve-s]

If you have Maracyn II, I would just go with that. Otherwise use the Spectogram if you have enough.

Cheers
Steve

 

[BTTRFLYGRL]

WELL! I don't have either of those:lol: I have Furan-2, Bifuran, Neoplex and Kanaplex.
Pictures are on the way!

 

[steve-s]

Ran out? You mentioned it in a previous post...

Personally I would go with the Furan 2. It would cover all the bases.

Cheers
Steve

 

[NaH2O]

Getting the photos photoshopped...they'll be up in a bit.

Steve, the spots on the tang looked very strange. I couldn't get focused in as close as I wanted, but it almost looked like a piece of tissue was hanging where some of the spots were. The fish was leaning on anything it could, and breathing rapidly. Also, the skin had a white splotchey look to it. Once I get the pics up, you'll be able to see what I'm talking about a little better...

back in a few...

 

[BTTRFLYGRL]

I'll try to take some pics and then let you know all about it next time I see you at PA LOL.

Hope your fish get better...I must say I am very impressed that you have stuck with it and tried to get them healthy..big thumbs up!!

Thanks!! My family says I'm 'obsessed', and that their 'just fish' ...I say I'm commited!!

I may try to get to the meeting after work Sat! So maybe I'll see ya there

 

[NaH2O]

Here ya go...

The red arrows are pointing out spots that seem to be more than just spots if that makes sense. You can kind of see what I'm talking about, however, I'm not sure if it is tissue or a fluke, or what it is. I tried to get a shot of the gills because the left gill had what I thought was tissue coming from the spot....however, the fish wouldn't hold its gills still while I took the picture . I'm horrible at taking photos of fish...even sick ones that don't move.

Click images to enlarge:

You can see the stringy things where the red arrows are pointing. From what I could see, not all the spots had the stringy things coming off of them. View attachment 11798

This photo shows another spot on the eye that had the same stringy thing, as the image above. The fish was breathing very rapidly View attachment 11799

This photo is to show a white blotchey area View attachment 11800

Another showing the overall body appearance View attachment 11801

 

[BTTRFLYGRL]

Many of the spots appear to be hanging..if that makes sense. They are not round, all are irregular
My Clown in my 125 now looks as though she needs moisterizer again [old thread] A few more of the little dots on the Raccoon.. This after I cleaned out my tank, pulled my rocks out to scrub, sending sand flying . I am not sure the two are related but the Raccoon has has off and one 'specks' since I added that coral months ago. Both fish eat well and behave normally otherwise. The Tang may have had flukes he brought with him and picked up some copepods while in the main

Steve, I was thinking back..I had a Clownfish die about a year ago. He died suddenly. The first symptom being a little nick in his tail. [My Raccoon is a fin nipper] I wasn't concerned, I had caught the Raccoon picking on both Clowns. A couple of days later, he began swimming up at the top of the tank in the current. That went on for a couple of days. He continued to eat. His tailfin appeared a little more ragged one day, that night about 2am he was on the bottom of the tank tail almost completely gone. I should have gotten him out then to treat but I assumed he'd get up as always when lights came on. No go, next day he was worse and died that afternoon. This happened in a week. The other fish remained healthy and are all still in the tank today plus I added another Clown and a Candy Hogfish. All was well till I added those corals and thats when I wrote the thread about my Clown. Plus the specks my Raccoon gets.

I don't know if one has anything to do with the other but I wanted to give you a little more History on my tank

 

[steve-s]

It's hard to be certain but after seeing these, I'm more inclined to think this a parasitic species of copepod. They are much slower than flukes typically and the tail is often a bigger "give away" than would be with flukes. Unfortunately, the only way to be sure is microscopically.

I know your not going to like this but formalin is your best bet. I would also follow through with the Furan 2 as well. Be sure the dosage is 7.5 mg/gal based on the quantity of nitrofurazone. Add daily for 4-5 days with a 25% water change prior to each new dose. Do the formalin dips 3 times three days apart. Please be sure you aerate the dip until the water clears before adding the fish and aerate during the dip. Keep the temp about 78 and be sure the fish goes into a clean SW bath before placing back in the QT. You should actually see a dramatic improvement after the first dip.

Cheers
Steve

 

[BTTRFLYGRL]

DOH!! I checked back on my Potters thread and found the Furan dose you suggested there was 15mg/gallonfor was it 7 days with no water changes ?[of course I have to change the water daily] I guess I should go do another water changd to dilute it But, in only a few hours, the large bloches are gone, he now has much smaller polka dots:eek2:


Checking back through this thread I am not sure I was dosing the right amount of Prazipro. Its directions are 1 teaspoon per 10 gallons. You suggested 7.5 ml per gallon? Since I have no idea how many ml are in a teaspoon, I thought I better make sure I was giving them a strong enough dose...I have used so many fish meds recently I am getting everything mixed up

And I also want to check, 20 drops of formalin per gallon? And is it okay to do a formalin dip in water with sg of 1.009-1.010? The place I worked Wed. puts formalin in the freshwater dips...yikes!!