how safe is it to do in accord with hypo??? also, will the biowheel need to be removed??? so i should basically add 120 drops(30g qt) to the tank, then mix up premade copper water for water changes..how often do i need to do water changes???daily?? also, how many days does the treatment last???
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steve-s
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At 1.019 (?), it won't be much of a problem.
Your choice but I would leave it going. Cupramine will not outright kill the bacteria in the QT and the biowheels you're best option for maintaining water quality next to water changes. If you do decide to remove it, make absolutely sure it is allowed to air dry for a week. It cannot be allowed to remain wet and must be bone dry for several days. If your hope was to preserve a bacterial source, don't.
No, 2 drops per gallon the first day and then another 2 drops per gallon two days later. Then test and tweek as necessary to achieve 0.5 ppm. The innitial additions are done in stages, not all at once.
Yes at 4 drops per gallon Cupramine.
Usually the first week you might need twice daily water changes. Watch the ammonia readings and change accordingly. What ammonia kit do you have?
The treatment should last minimum 14 to a maximum of 21 days.
steve-s
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That would be good but I would still recommend manual testing every so often to confirm things are as they appear. Do you not have a regular titration kit?
steve-s
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Check if it's Nessler or Salicylate, most likely it will be Nessler which is useless with amines.
steve-s
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neither...i was waiting to get the salinity all the way back up...i don't think i need it though...i have never seen a healthy pb before, so i am not sure what their mouths look like normally...i think the mouth had just lost its color..there doesn't "seem" to be any tissue loss on the mouth...the fish has looked really good the past few days..it is very active and constantly checks the algae clip for seaweed..the fish found the algae clip the day after i got him...i have supplemented every feeding of his with Zoe and Zoecon
its' mouth only has a tiny spot of color that has not returned..it looks even better today...the white specs returned today though..the fish hasn't touched its' nori all day long....i don't know if it has eaten at all today...it is also scratching against the pvc alot....i just checked the water...everything looks great..the ph is 8.1, everything else is at zero!!
steve-s
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Try adding some of your liquid vitamin directly to the QT water. The vitamin B12 will help appetite stimulation. The copper will curb the appetite for the short term but should return soon.
the tang is very dark today..it is normally very light brown, almost tan looking..today it is completely dark, dark brown, and not just blotches..it is eating today..it has more specks on it and on its' eyes..the ammonia has been fine so far..i did a 2g water change(w/ copper added beforehand) anyway though!
also, i have tried to test the copper several times..the color of the water in the test looks clear!!! i even got my girlfriend to take a look...i did the test correctly each time..my new makeup water has 4 drops per gallon..if it is off, i guess the water changes will correct it..also, it is a Seachem test kit, so i don't see what the problem is????
also, i have tried to test the copper several times..the color of the water in the test looks clear!!! i even got my girlfriend to take a look...i did the test correctly each time..my new makeup water has 4 drops per gallon..if it is off, i guess the water changes will correct it..also, it is a Seachem test kit, so i don't see what the problem is????
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steve-s
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A tangs color can often be an indication of stress or "mood" if you will. What is the ammonia reading? Never let it get above 0.1 ppm.
Is the light on or off and are you able to observe the tang from a distance?
Have you tested it against the supplied reference sample?
1 scoop reagent #1, 2x pipette from the copper treated water and 2x drops of reagent #2, then waiting 5 full minutes minimum before comparing the color?
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Steve
Slickdonkey
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Ron, I had problems with my Seachem test kit too. Like Steve says, test it against the reference sample. I had to have them send replacement reagent.
After that I bought a Salifert kit as an extra reference.
After that I bought a Salifert kit as an extra reference.
i have done the test 3x.. every time, the color was clear..there was no blue or greenish color..i put in 2 drops per gallon the first day, then 2 drop per gallon the second, and i have some freshly made saltwater w/ 4 drops per gallon..i did the test kit exactly like the directions said..i am not doing anything wrong..i will go try to do it right now one more time..also, the fish is normal looking again
update: i just did another test..same thing!! it doesn't even have a color..i got my girlfriend to look at it also..these test kits are #$@%!!! why can't the colors go from like blue to yellow or something..the different shades of blue that they have are very hard to differentiate between!!!it leaves a big margin for error...this is supposed to be a "good" test kit..i put the reference chart right beside it..we can't see any color...i'm scared to add more if i can't test for it!! also, is the copper like salt...when the water evaporates, does it leave the copper behind??? if so, is it possible for the copper levels to rise on their own because of evaporation???
update: i just did another test..same thing!! it doesn't even have a color..i got my girlfriend to look at it also..these test kits are #$@%!!! why can't the colors go from like blue to yellow or something..the different shades of blue that they have are very hard to differentiate between!!!it leaves a big margin for error...this is supposed to be a "good" test kit..i put the reference chart right beside it..we can't see any color...i'm scared to add more if i can't test for it!! also, is the copper like salt...when the water evaporates, does it leave the copper behind??? if so, is it possible for the copper levels to rise on their own because of evaporation???
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Slickdonkey
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Ron, copper doesn't evaporate. So the levels will increase with evaporation. I wouldn't keep adding it until you can test for the existing amount.
I'd suggest getting in touch with Seachem. In the meantime get another brand of test kit. The guy I spoke to said it's not unheard of for the reagent to go bad; it can be exposed to various environmental conditions during shipping and a host of other problems.
I'd suggest getting in touch with Seachem. In the meantime get another brand of test kit. The guy I spoke to said it's not unheard of for the reagent to go bad; it can be exposed to various environmental conditions during shipping and a host of other problems.
i haven't added any more.. i am doing water changes with the copper already added in at 4 drops per gallon...i know i need to test, but in theory, if i added topoff water to a specific point in the tank everyday and did the water changes with 4 drops per gallon, it should keep the copper where it needs to be..i will still try to contact Seachem and see what they say
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Herefishyfishy
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Ron, take a cup of tank water, put one drop of copper in it and see if that registers on the test kit. Should be off the scale on the high side. If no result, either the copper was manufactured wrong (unlikely) or the test kid is bad. There is a small chance it is chelating out of solution but I doubt it. If you are running carbon or other reactor media, that could be filtering it out.
